African lion vs Salt water crocodile

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    On land - 9/10 lion wins

    In the water....hippo wins.
     
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    Lol where did the hippo come from?

    Anyway all the Croc needs is one bite, and it's over, and they can be surprisingly agile too though on land the Lion has that advantage. If croc ends up on belly it is as good as dead. If lion can clamp down and not allow croc to open croc is dead. Croc has a wicked tail strike tho, and once it clamps down...game over.

    It just depends on the environment. Croc has a better chance overall, let's say on a shoreline or something where they can fight potentially on both land and water.
     
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    Hippo came out of no where...

    leopard > croc
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    Dont see why it cant be half an half, via shallow water where the lion still can stand, thats as fair as it can be in this case...the croc does have the tail, and a nearly sure one shot capability with the bite. But lions not only have their jaws, they have 4 paws with razor sharp claws, thats almost 20 claws that can slash away independently, the lion can disembowel the croc or simply blind it or cut it dead. If this is a 17+ footer croc, then most likely a one shot bite can do it, but your average croc doesnt have the staying power to put a good hold with a instant kill on a lion.

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    Don't touch my baby! The incredible moment three lionesses killed a crocodile after it tried to attack a cub


    The mane is too big:
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    The african lions mane:

    The lions mane makes his neck around 3-4x that of a 2,000 polar bears neck, a lions mane is 2-3 feet long, so a croc find it difficult to one snap a lion in that area. A lion can grab a croc anywhere and it will be lethal. Crocs also would tire out faster being cold blooded, they dont wrestle with their prey for long, this is why lots of animals get away from crocs if there isnt a good hold.


    Lions also have clobbered crocs dead with just a blow from their paws:
    "In some localities hungry lions not infrequently kill, and eat crocodiles, and it is interesting to record that the lion's method of attack is in the first instance to smash the skull." - Google Search

    Along with the proof of the lions striking strength can kill much bigger animals than crocs:
    The african lions striking strength

    So the lion has a bit more ways he can deal in punishment to a croc, other than the crocs one shot bite, dont see any advantages. But if its one of those world record breaking crocs, I dont think one lion can pull it off, maybe exclusively on land, but not shallow water.
     
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    Crocs/alligators/caimans, are only good at attacking things that dont fight back, when other predators contend with them, even in water they arent as formidable as most make it out to be:

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    - First croc shown, back completely wet and color light green
    - Second croc shown dark color, back completely dry (amazing lol)
    - Third croc is half the size of the first two.

    = Funny how the second crocs water is calm without a single ripple
    = Funny how the lionesses water is a raging current with rapids all over it

    (Didnt know water could change that drastically)

    lol, wow...the perfect editing of adding in multiple different sized crocs with even being different in color, using crocs attacking impala clips edited in, and shown a already drowned lioness carcass with no visible wounds on it and with a croc next to it? Yup, seems legit. We have hundreds of videos of both lions and crocs eating animals with only half their bodys left while still moving and yet no genuine croc killing lion accounts? Nah, I'll go ahead and call that video B.S. Being that the video was made by Nat geo years ago, yet it shows 2016 on this one? lol Heres the uploader from 2013:
    Fred Jackson

    Yet all his videos he uploads are of things killing lions? Nah,

    Not to say there arent accounts of lions being killed by crocs, but that one doesnt make the cut.

    During the period under discussion lions were reported to have killed 39 hyenas, 6 leopards, 2 cheetahs, 12 jakals, 2 civet cats, 2 honey badgers, 1 caracal and two crocodiles.

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    file:///C:/Users/Computer/Downloads/753-3357-1-PB%20(1).pdf

    Lions killing crocs noted by hunters and locals:
    Life-histories of African Game Animals

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    yeah that's why I think the Lion has a greater advantage on land and possibly shallow water but it has to be really shallow. As for disembowelment, the Lion has to get the croc on its belly because it won't touch that hard exterior otherwise.

    It's kinda like a fast-fury hitting boxer versus a heavy slinger. You know fast dude gonna get mad shots in and can eventually wear out the big dude, but one strike by big dude and its over.

    So the lion gonna get the claws and tear away but the croc is resilient and then that one bite will destroy the lion. Then it comes down to environmental advantages. At least the croc has a better chance on land than the lion does in water, especially deep water, hence my vote for the croc.

    I'd say the one advantage the lion has is a natural battle instinct and lack of fear against other predators. That could be its greatest strength in overcoming the lion. Sheer bravery. But it could also be its downfall if not smart enough. One bite and its good night. No matter where the croc bites on the body it will either cripple that body part severely or if it is something like the head or throat, it's over. Lion has a thick mane but the bite force is too strong on the crocs part, it will go right through.
     
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    I agree, its a bit trivial depending on which terrain, but the lion should have a 9/10 on land no matter what size the croc, these arent your average animals, lions are in the genus panthera, big cats are the most agilent animals on the planet, they are way to quick to be caught by a croc if the lion is aware of the crocodiles presence.

    The mane should work on most animals, but against the croc it would be difficult to tell, it could go right through, but at most part its not the protection part, its the size. Do crocs go in for rhino or hippo necks? No, because visually its too big, the lions mane is twice as big as a brown bears neck, so the croc wouldnt attack a males upper body area. Maybe if it catches the lions limbs, but thats risky, a lion with one well placed blow could break in the crocodiles head too. (all the previous photos show lions swiping at the head/snout of a croc).

    I doubt the placement of underside matters, lions eat crocs whole, so where ever the lion strikes or bites will be fatal for the croc, underside or back-side. Could the croc truly death role the lion off like nat geo opinion'd? I doubt it, the lion is too heavy with a dominant and controlling posture to allow the croc to roll and shake off the lion. Big cats seem to dominate crocs/gaters/caimans:
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    Jaguars kill caiman by pouncing on them from behind and immediately biting through the back of the neck, thereby
    puma "alligator" florida panther killed - Google Search

    (Bottom) Jaguars kill caiman with a crushing bite to the neck. They open the caiman's body along the sides as they are not protected by heavy armor plates. No other big cat regularly hunts and kills reptiles for food. regularly kill prey by piercing
    puma "alligator" florida panther killed - Google Search

    100's of caimans are documented killed by jaguars:
    The Biology and Conservation of Wild Felids

    Bates, for instance, came across a freshly killed caiman in the Amazon forest, pounced upon by a jaguar while guarding its nest
    puma "alligator" florida panther killed - Google Search
     
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    No doubt the lion can control the crocodile.

    I have also seen a male lion pull a 1000kg giraffe bull over the slippery rocks and across the river.
    Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Who is the Best Fighter of them All?

    a 600 lb zebra is difficult for even 6 men to drag:

    Lions in Our Lives

    If the experiment could be tried, I imagine that the strength of the lion and of the horse would be found related in this way ;—that, for impulse or instantaneous effect, a lion is three times as strong as a horse; but that, in a day, the total extreme development of strength in a lion would only be twice as great as that of a horse; and that, in two days, the superiority would be less than in one day. The best indication of strength consists, I believe, in the density and compactness of the structure of bones and muscles.

    The cause of this superiority remains to be considered. I believe the lion to be stronger than the horse, because the former is exposed to greater alternations of privation and saturation. The food of the horse is distributed in small parcels, which may be collected by very easy exertion, continued for a short time in a rich pasture, and for a long time in a scanty pasture. The food of the lion is distributed in large masses, not to be obtained except at the expense of the most violent effort.
    Life tables, founded upon the discovery of a numerical law regulating the existence of every human being

    The strength of the lion is very great. We are informed by Dr. Sparrman, that' this animal was once seen at the Cape to take a heifer in "is mouth, and though the legs of the latter dragged on the ground, yet seemed to carry her off with the same ease as a cat does a rat
    . It likewise leaped over a broad dike with her without the least difficulty. A buffalo perhaps would h* too cumbersome for this beast of prey, not

    withstanding his strength, to seize and carry off with him in this manner. Two yeomen, upon whose veracity I can place some confidence, gave me the following account. Being a hunting near Boshies-man River with several Hottentots, they perceived a lion dragging a buffalo from the plain to a neighbouring woody hill.
    The London encyclopaedia, or, Universal dictionary of science, art, literature, and practical mechanics, by the orig. ed. of the Encyclopaedia metropolitana [T. Curtis].

    There are some other advantages; the bone is of more solid substance than any other bone in the mammalia ; and the system of muscles is remarkably strong all the way to the shoulder, at which place the mane of the lion preserves them from changes of temperature, and thus the first motion of the limb is, in proportion to its extent, remarkably free; and thus great velocity, as well as great weight and strength of matter, are given to this general motion of the limb.
    The British Cyclopædia of Natural History

    The weight of the lion’s body, as compared with his size, is very remarkable; and this is produced by the extraordinary density of his muscles, and the compactness of his principal bones.
    The Edinburgh Review, Or Critical Journal: ... To Be Continued Quarterly
     
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    A lion would get that work in the water.
     
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