African lion vs Salt water crocodile

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  1. Sword

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    Still up there with bears as GOAT? Even though the bear vs lion thread showed, bison, horses, bulls, boars, wolves and even pumas killing grizzlys 100's of times? Sorry but that doesnt take the GOAT award any time soon.

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    Just because the orca is a pack animal, doesn't mean a solitary shark can take a lone orca, the same as just because a lion is a pride and pack animal, doesn't mean he'd fair any less against a grizzly. So far the records are like:

    Bears 5 wins
    Lions 30 wins

    Lion > Bear

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    We had this debate before :ufdup:

    The bear has size advantage, stamina, thick body fat, and weight.
     
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    so we should just put lions in florida :lupe:
     
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    You're just naming the most basic elementary things, kids know that about bears. Doesnt mean kids can prove those attributes beats the King of killers:

    LION, King of Killers (October 4, 1914)

    The bear had all those advantages over pumas, yet that didnt stop a only 150 lb big cat from killing 1,000 pound bears. What does the bear have that the lion hasnt already dealt with? He has a bite...lions kill crocs who have the most powerful bite, he has size, hippos are 3x bigger...he has claws, so do leopards, tigers and atlas bears, he has stamina, so does buffalo. He has protective fat, crocs, rhinos and elephants hides are just as if not more durable than bears. Theres nothing the bear has the lion hasnt already faced with of a larger or more powerful form.

    So it will come down to either showing...

    1.) Actual bears killing lions

    2.) Or feats of their prowess

    Bears have only killed lions around 5 times or so, lions have 30+, and lions have killed polar bears more than any other bear in captivity, so how can your elemntary argument of bigger = win, be taken into account when polar bears > brown bears. How about some feats of bears...theres barely even ten genuine records, humanity has been documenting these animals for thousands of years, and yet you cant even find 10 formidable animals brown bears have killed with root documentation? lol that just shows the bear is not as combative as you think him to be.

    While theres nothing hidden, or secret, or misrepresented about the lions title, power and attributes, lions can actually back up there status as King of beast:
    One of the greatest lion tamers of all time: Clyde beatty

    The Lion might not be GOAT, but the lion sure can kick some ass.
     
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    Definately the GOAT animal... why do you think they're so respected? In Somalia where my dad was growing up, he told me he was out in the bush, even past the farms. There was a time of the year passed the rainy season for about a couple days nobody would go outside for too long because lion prides would migrate through there. People would rather let lions pass and live than do the obvious and just shoot them. It was worth waiting the whole year just to get a close up glimpse of these majestic beasts. GOAT shyt.
     
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    Salt water crocs don't live in Africa, and they are way bigger.
     
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    The Short-faced Bear and the American lion (both extinct) would fight often and the bear would come out on top usually. Mind you, both of these animals were bigger than their modern day equivalent. Bears can literally fight for HOURS, breh. Their paws have enough force to take off some animals' heads. If an African lion and a Grizzly randomly met in an open environment, you really think the lion is taking the W?
     
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    I think lions can be the greatest fighting animal in general, but theres so much different categories, is he the fastest? No, the cheetah is...many animals have their own traits. Humans idolize lions because they remind humanity about themselves. War like, gets all the girls, dominate your enemies and turn to your brothers in times of distress. That pretty much sums up of how kingdoms and empires are about.

    Nothing really special about bears, or other big cats being solitary, it just made them weaker and suspect to being killed off by competition like wolves, hyenas and other pack animals or smaller animals with more game and determination. Dont know how lions made the leap away from other big cats socially or physically different in appearance, the lion with his mane doesnt look like a big cat or something similar, he looks exclusive:

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    Pretty much covered in 2 feet thick battle armor, in the most specific areas where animals can be killed, the neck and belly. Its just as easy to be disemboweled as it is to have their necks lacerated. So it seems as if nature perfectly designed the lion to be protected in those areas. Theres no sense the lion should have fur all over his body like the bear, since it will only hinder his movements and insulate him so much that he over heats.
     
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    They might be the only social cats period :jbhmm:

    Like outside of house cats... male lions start coalitions :wow: They don't betray each other, they defend eachother from other lions and other animals. They're probably the one animal humans admire most. They can be extremely ferocious or docile. They also rarely attack humans so theres not any antimosity like there are with the man eating Tigers, Polar bears etc.
     
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    I doubt that.
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    A bear can fight another bear for hours because a bear lacks any deadly blows or combat skills, two sumo wresters can push each other around for hours without any great damage done, but try and fight mike tyson for an hour, bet you cant even last a minute. The bears I showed fighting donkeys, boars, domestic pigs, mules, goats and wolves were killed in minutes, not hours, the lions I showed killed bears with one blow to the back or skull or one bite to the neck. It dident take them hours.

    We already went over this, I showed 6 biologist who studied brown bears their entire lives, and documented over 300 bear kills, they stated bears didnt once throw a debilitating or forceful crushing blow with the paw and only grasped and bit the animals to death. Unless you can show me hundreds of accounts to match these:
    The african lions striking strength

    Then I dont know what paw strength you are talking about.

    In an open area? lol The lions I showed killed bears in small to large cages, I would have thought the bear could have utilized his greater bulk to easily grab and pin down the lion, but he didnt, he was speed blitzed, over powered and out gunned instantly. A open environment would yield alot more maneuverability for the lion, as now he can fully evade, dodge and leap completely over the bear an bring him down.

    Closed arena: Lion 7/10
    Open environment: 9/10

    And thats me being genuine. Theres too much feats of lions showing what they are capable of, your argument relys more so on pure imagination than actual feats.
     
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    Cave lions would be pack orientated, as they had to face hyena as well, some cheetahs form small coalitions too, the saber tooth cat also hunted in pairs or trios, all lines of the leo species are pride-like not just modern lions. But its obvious why they formed manes, they have the highest density of competition compared to any other predator, and to where most tigers, leopards and bears run from large packs of wild dogs, wolves and hyena, lions actually face them. Hence they would have evolved a better armor than most.

    Lion prides are also of non-relatives as well, even a out-sider can be accepted if he is initiated with the pride ruler accepting him. Usually this is by the males beating the crap out of the outsider and then he submits.
     
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    only fatasses like bears :mjlol:
     
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    http://io9.gizmodo.com/5804796/a-brief-history-of-bears-fighting-lions

    "Modern lion skulls are thin enough that one decent blow from a bear will crush it, killing the lion
    instantly." :sas2:


    "California settlers during the Gold Rush found this out the cruel way, as they organized fights between bears and various other animals as a rather sick way to pass the time, eventually shipping in African lions in a futile attempt to give the bears a challenge.":sas1:


    California Gold Rush Bear Fights

    "They imported African lions to fight bears because none of the other animals were lasting very long. I would love to see someone try to explain that situation at customs today. The Gold Rushers thought that if there was one creature that could stand up to a bear, it must be the King of the Beasts. Unfortunately, after several attempts, they realized that lions' skulls are actually quite thin and before they could get anywhere near the bear, it would bop it on the head like a Whack-A-Mole and kill it." :whoo::whew::ufdup::obama:
     
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    How can anyone with rational thinking capabilities believe that in the 1850's, a healthy, full sized African Lion was imported to a then rural California, and made to fight a Grizzly Bear only to find that the Lion had thin skulls?

    There are Humans that fight off bear attacks with knives lol... I don't think anyone can fight off a Lion with just a knife.
     
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