Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton

[Scoop]

Some girl in my class said she was going to vote for Hilary because she was a woman.

fukk that bytch

 

[MrSinnister]

She did this shyt in '08 too.

I'll alway never forget the comments from her campaign back then talking about "we are letting (this election) slip away" by voting for a black man.


God, I hate the Clintons. And it's a shame so many black folks give them their support when they did nothing but harm to the community.

I remember some psycho old git, that described him as "inadequate Black man" (in hindsigjt, she was right ), but the next day Keith Olbermann had her on the Summer Jam appearing on Fox News .

People may give me shyt, but (edit for omission: fukk) the establishment Democrats and their leaders.

 

[MrSinnister]

You agree or disagree. Don't act like we don't pull similar kind of hive mind shyt for Obama. I have the receipts to his policies. We can't get mad when White women pull the identity politics if we gonna keep pulling it too. Obama is not a progressive. Obama is not a Democrat. Obama is a Rockefeller Republican who simply funds the neoliberal banking order.

He practices socialism for the top, and sings Al Green and grins to us, making sure we have our kids do their homework .

 

[Ms. Elaine]

I remember some psycho old git, that described him as "inadequate Black man" (in hindsigjt, she was right ), but the next day Keith Olbermann had her on the Summer Jam appearing on Fox News .

People may give me shyt, but the establishment Democrats and their leaders.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

You agree or disagree.

I'M JUST MAKING THE FACE AT THE PROSPECT OF ANOTHER BIG CRASH, BROTHER!

 

[MrSinnister]

Yaw cape for Obama like he's Jesus. That's slave shyt, seriously. While ya'll admonishing Hillary supporters, rightfully, for doing the same thing. Do you even know his policies, and what he lobbies for, before labeling me the outsider.

Low information voters should be the outsiders.

 

[MrSinnister]

I'M JUST MAKING THE FACE AT THE PROSPECT OF ANOTHER BIG CRASH, BROTHER!

Japan (Nikkei) went down over 5 percent overnight last night. We've been trying to fight a mini crash since the beginning of the year. Bank of America has lost 46 percent in the last month. It's quietly getting real.

Just doesn't happen this early in the year tho.

 

[No1]

Feminism, Hell and Hillary Clinton

Frank Bruni FEB. 9, 2016

Women listening to Hillary Clinton at a campaign event in New Hampshire. CreditRichard Perry/The New York Times

I’m 51. My health is decent. And while my mother died young, there’s longevity elsewhere in the family tree.

I could live to see an openly gay presidential candidate with a real chance of victory.

Will there be a “special place in hell” for me if I, as a gay man, don’t support him or her?

I can guess Madeleine Albright’s answer. She more or less told women that they’re damned if they’re not on Hillary Clinton’s team.

• I’m still trying to get my head around that — and around Gloria Steinem’s breathtakingly demeaning assertion that young women who back Bernie Sanders are in thrall to pheromones, not ideas or idealism, and angling to score dates with the young bucks in the Sanders brigade.
  
  That’s right, “democratic socialism” is a known aphrodisiac: the oyster of politics. There’s nothing like denunciations of oligarchs to put you in the mood.
  
  
  Also, has Steinem forgotten about lesbians? More than a few of them support Sanders, and it’s not because of the way some 26-year-old doctoral candidate looks in his L. L. Bean flannel.
  
  There’s a weird strain of thought swirling around Clinton’s campaign: that we should vote for her because she’s a woman. Or that she’s inoculated from certain flaws or accusations by dint of gender. Or that, at the least, there’s an onus on forward-looking people who care about gender inequality to promote her candidacy.
  
  I care about gender inequality, and I don’t buy it. It’s bad logic. It’s even worse strategy. People don’t vote out of shame. They vote out of hope.
  
  
  Perhaps that was among the lessons of Clinton’s defeat in New Hampshire on Tuesday, where she lost to Sanders among all women by at least seven percentage points, according to exit polling, and among women under 30 by more than 60 points.
  
  Clinton is on sturdy ground, morally and tactically, when she mentions a double standard for women. So are her surrogates. Actually, there are so many double standards that you couldn’t fit them in a column eight times the length of this one, and she has bumped into plenty, including, yes, the fuss over her raised voice.
  
  But the argument that she’s somehow not a full-fledged member of the establishment because she’s a woman — as she contended during the most recent Democratic debate — is nonsense. On that night, she also echoed a past statement to CBS News that she “cannot imagine anyone being more of an outsider than the first woman president.”
  
  Really? Anyone? Off the top of my head I can think of a person who might quibble with that. His name is Barack Obama.
  
  Admittedly, there’s no easy way to navigate the terrain she inhabits. Eight years ago, she denied her campaign the romantic sweep of Obama’s by playing down and trying to correct for gender. This time around, she was advised, rightly, not to repeat that mistake. But how to do that without going too far?
  
  I think she started out perfectly, with incontestable reflections on women’s challenges in the workplace and with casual asides about the historic nature of her bid. Discussing her age, she said, “I will be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States.”
  
  But more recently, things have fallen out of whack. Bill Clinton’s diatribe about the misogyny of some Sanders supporters sounded like a defensive outsourcing of blame for the Clinton campaign’s disappointments in the polls and the returns: the narrowest of victories in Iowa followed by the resounding New Hampshire defeat.
  
  The Clintons are always quick to point fingers and slow to look in the mirror. On top of which, Bill Clinton’s invocation of sexism felt too pat, his citation of gross language on Twitter (which, sadly, brims with it) too easy.
  
  Clinton’s gender indeed matters. Just as you couldn’t properly evaluate Obama’s arc without factoring in race, you can’t see her accurately without recognizing that she’s a woman of her time, with all the attendant obstacles, hurts, compromises and tenacity.
  
  That informs — and, ideally, illuminates — her perspective. And her presidency would carry a powerful, constructive symbolism that can’t and shouldn’t be ignored.
  
  But those are considerations among many, many others in taking her measure and in casting a vote. To focus only or primarily on them is more reductive than respectful, and to tell women in particular what kind of politics they should practice is the antithesis of feminism, which advocates independence and choices.
  
  We’re all complicated people voting for complicated people. We’re not census subgroups falling in line.
  
  I’ll go to the barricades for that imagined gay candidate if he or she has talents I trust, positions I respect and a character I admire. If not, I’ll probably go elsewhere, because being gay won’t be the sum of that person, just as womanhood isn’t where Clinton begins and ends.
  

 

[JoogJoint]

White Feminism, brehs.

 

[JoogJoint]

She did this shyt in '08 too.

I'll alway never forget the comments from her campaign back then talking about "we are letting (this election) slip away" by voting for a black man.


God, I hate the Clintons. And it's a shame so many black folks give them their support when they did nothing but harm to the community.

I don't understand older Black Baby Boomers for this reason.
They loved the Clintons before how they treated Barack Obama and now they are back to liking them, I mean what?! They are treating Bernie the same way they did Obama.

Their blind loyalty to the Clintons is just mind boggling to me. I asked my parents why they like Hillary so much and they can't even explain why. I can give so many reasons why I like Bernie though.