i like writing and performing Poetry and i am into Rap music, but i don't know if i can write a sixteen bar verse tho. but i heard something that Spoken Word poets such as ''the Last Poets'' and many others influenced and help create Hip Hop, and i can imagine rappers who were out in the '70s were probably influenced by Spoken Word poets.
did Spoken Word help influence rappers to begin rap ?
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Art Barr
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Yeah, but translating from spoken word to emcee'n features a general disconnect.
After emcee'n has been here culturally for forty two years now come August.
So, trying to be an emcee after being a spoken word guy has a cultural disconnect generally.
Like it is a difference between a regular spoken word guy versus an emcee.
Where generally that gap is never filled to connect the two or do well in both.
It is exceptions but generally the skill set of emcee'n.
won't typically translate to a guy who starts off in spoken word.
An emcee who rapped first could easily be a great spoken word guy.
Yet a great spoken word guy with a draw may not translate to being a proficient emcee. Let alone a dope emcee,......
Art Barr
After emcee'n has been here culturally for forty two years now come August.
So, trying to be an emcee after being a spoken word guy has a cultural disconnect generally.
Like it is a difference between a regular spoken word guy versus an emcee.
Where generally that gap is never filled to connect the two or do well in both.
It is exceptions but generally the skill set of emcee'n.
won't typically translate to a guy who starts off in spoken word.
An emcee who rapped first could easily be a great spoken word guy.
Yet a great spoken word guy with a draw may not translate to being a proficient emcee. Let alone a dope emcee,......
Art Barr
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Rap is a highly advanced form of poetry/ spoken word:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/when...eciation-for-the-intellect-of-rappers.372066/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/when...eciation-for-the-intellect-of-rappers.372066/
Poh SIti Dawn
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lowkey i was making a connection to many Africans having no alphabet and it's importance of oratory education to that of hip hop.
Poh SIti Dawn
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it's more than poetry, it's story telling based on rhythm within a rhythm of itself (the flow) it isn't just music to match your mood, it's like an education program as well
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Coke la rock is known as the first MC and he said his influence was Muhammad Ali
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Art Barr
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Emcee'n does not necessarily lean towards the preemptive tale any longer.
It is more first person, now.
All because, the cowboy edict that existed in the old school way of thought was essentially styled out of existence all together by wutang clan with covert rap.
Which over time was basically and essentially decoded slang wise and modernized.
Which has basically eroded the cowboy edict out of existence in modern new school way of thought rap.
Plus storytelling as an actual song structure is more elongated as a autobiography of the artist's tale.
Which now kinda marketed underneath on the artist's bio.
To play up to the prison industrial economy method of marketing rap.
This is one of the main reasons or detractors that prohibit most spoken word to have convincability in the modern progressive new school rap game
Convincability is one of the reason a general spoken word artist has problems with convincability in rap as an emcee.
He can draw in his relative crowd but he can not draw in a completely cultural hiphop rap listener crowd at all generally.
Or, in booking looked at as to far a stretch in content and mood.
When any rap is involved, unless you are some one like:
Malik usef
Keith from the funky wordsmiths
Where it is a honor system between these two to rap.
Then alternatively including everyone else in spokenword.
generally does not translate to a rap audience, at all in a general booking sense.
Plus, if I booked spoken word.
I would not book rap guys to appear in spoken word.
All because they would steal your draw overnight.
Plus, spoken word damages a rappers' draw in general.
Plus, both realms draw may not comeback at all, as reoccuring customers in the same way. In either arena for that emcee or that spoken word artist.
I know on the surface, it would appear like,....
It works but it does not at all.
It ruins the draw of a rapper and also steals the thunder of the spoken word guy because he just won't translate to rap well at all.
So, from what I seen in booking outside of usef at the very least.
I would not in booking sense mix spoken word or rap together like that in general.
Art Barr
Emcee'n does not necessarily lean towards the preemptive tale any longer.
It is more first person, now.
All because, the cowboy edict that existed in the old school way of thought was essentially styled out of existence all together by wutang clan with covert rap.
Which over time was basically and essentially decoded slang wise and modernized.
Which has basically eroded the cowboy edict out of existence in modern new school way of thought rap.
Plus storytelling as an actual song structure is more elongated as a autobiography of the artist's tale.
Which now kinda marketed underneath on the artist's bio.
To play up to the prison industrial economy method of marketing rap.
This is one of the main reasons or detractors that prohibit most spoken word to have convincability in the modern progressive new school rap game
Convincability is one of the reason a general spoken word artist has problems with convincability in rap as an emcee.
He can draw in his relative crowd but he can not draw in a completely cultural hiphop rap listener crowd at all generally.
Or, in booking looked at as to far a stretch in content and mood.
When any rap is involved, unless you are some one like:
Malik usef
Keith from the funky wordsmiths
Where it is a honor system between these two to rap.
Then alternatively including everyone else in spokenword.
generally does not translate to a rap audience, at all in a general booking sense.
Plus, if I booked spoken word.
I would not book rap guys to appear in spoken word.
All because they would steal your draw overnight.
Plus, spoken word damages a rappers' draw in general.
Plus, both realms draw may not comeback at all, as reoccuring customers in the same way. In either arena for that emcee or that spoken word artist.
I know on the surface, it would appear like,....
It works but it does not at all.
It ruins the draw of a rapper and also steals the thunder of the spoken word guy because he just won't translate to rap well at all.
So, from what I seen in booking outside of usef at the very least.
I would not in booking sense mix spoken word or rap together like that in general.
Art Barr
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Poh SIti Dawn
Staying Positive, Getting Better Everyday. Holler!
You have a point about Rappers and Spoke word not being able to mix, I freestyled with a dude in Barcelona (he was from NC lived in NY, signed to a label based off of Def Jam)
That's him, anyway he did his flow and it was crazy how it was so dynamic. You know how camera shots in dynamic action films and sound effects and such give it this feeling of it being in extreme motion? It was similar to that, it was crazy, it made me look at my style because I was just flowing like tatatatata tata tatatata tatata yeah tatata tata. He was like waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh tata bkbkatata ta tshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bktatabk bktatshtshbaka tsha btkaaaaaash. Had me feeling like Dorthy in the middle of that tornado in Kansas.
On another argument, the story telling aspect of hip hop isn't exactly dead, you just have to seek elsewhere but many MC's tell stories. In my rhymes I try to do the same, I should post some even though I've never recorded anything.
I think that as MC's we should respect what Spoken Word artists do and not try to intermingle with their craft unless we want to rework our style to fit their styles constrictions. Again I get what you're saying by my example I listed, Rappers rapping rhythmically, Spoken Word poets speaking dynamically.
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