In Cowboy Bebop, Spike Spiegel was already dead.

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  1. Thatrogueassdiaz

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    I was watching Cowboy Bebop last night, and it just dawned on me that the entire Cowboy Bebop series was just a dream :whew:


    Peep it. The first scene of the show is the original shootout that Spike had with the syndicate. We see him bloodied and hurt. We're never told how he escapes or how he recovers.

    At the beginning of Jupiter Jazz and Sympathy for the devil, the first time we see Spike in those episodes, he's waking up from a dream. Why? Because he's awakening to the reality of his own death. The whole Jupiter Jazz episode is a half-assed recreation of what occurred between Spike, Julia, and Vicious, except Gren is a hybrid of Spike and Julia (hermaphodite). Gren is upset that Vicious betrayed him and gave him that transmitter that had the explosive in it. Julia warns Gren to look into it, knowing Vicious' past. When Vicious approaches Spike and shoots him, Spike falls unconscious and starts dreaming again. He dreams of the original shootout, being shot, falling out of a window, and being awakened by Faye. Notice that Faye says in that flashback, "you've been asleep for 3 days." Why 3 days? Resurrection (Jesus story, etc)

    The entire season we're lead to believe that Spike is incapable of being killed, unless it's by Vicious. Why? Because Vicious already DID kill him (they were both killed during the original betrayal). In each episode with Vicious (with the exception of Jupiter Jazz), the same then happens: he has a shootout, injures his arm, loses his eye, and then he's almost killed. Just when Spike is falling deeper into the dream, his "past" (past life) reawakens him.

    Spike finally is ready to come to terms with his death when Ed and Ein leave. The dream is coming to an end, and it's time for Spike to accept the things that happen. Remember when Julia meets up with him on Tharsis? They meet at a graveyard. When Julia dies she tries to tell Spike it's all a dream, and Spike finally accepts that when he agrees with her.

    Spike Spiegel was already dead. He died when he tried to escape the syndicate with Julia. Cowboy Bebop is an after-life dream that Spike has; he's stuck between life and the after-life (an allusion to this is his different color eyes). He did not want to die completely because he wanted to live a life with Julia, but unfortunately he can't. That's why Jet keeps telling him to let it go. Remember when Gren dies and the Chief Indian says his soul didn't make it's way to the great beyond? That was really an insight into Spike's problem, and the conflict of the entire series.

    So in essence, Spike's death at the end of Real Folk Blues was his awakening to the fact that he was already dead and that it was time to move on ("look my eyes, faye. One is a fake. I lost it in an accident.").

    There's other clues in the series that he's already dead, but I don't feel like getting into that.

    Kind of let you know what the creator of the series thinks about the after-life.

    What do you brehs think? :whew:
     
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    :ohhh:

    that could also explain the villain in the movie
     
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    In the middle of watching this breh
     
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    My condolences :wow:

    But gotdamn at this theory :ohhh:
     
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    :silva: sorry.


    Also, guys, notice how Spike dies in the middle of a staircase at the end of Real Folk Blues. In other words, he dies half way between heaven and earth. Remember when he eats those mushrooms and gets high in that Mushroom Samba episode? What does the frog tell him? "You know where you are? You're on the stairway to heaven."
     
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    :whew:
     
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    Breh, it just sunk in, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS :damn: :mindblown:

    We need another season of dreams, tho :to:
     
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    You sure that wasn't pertaining to that episode.. Since he was on shrooms... And stairway to heaven is a song shroom heads would rock too?
    I'll do some research after the games...
     
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    Breh, we'll compare notes. I'm in research mode as we speak :laugh:

    I need to uncover this mystery. This is my GOAT anime :wow:
     
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    the title of the movie was "Knockin on heavens Door"
     
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    One last thing, brehs. Remember when, in Jupiter Jazz, Gren kills Lin? Well remember Wen dies for Spike in Real Folk Blues. You're lead to believe Wen is the twin of Lin. But, remember, Spike originally sees Wen as Lin. That's because they are the same person. Spike had a lot of fukked up guilt about how things went down with Vicious and Julia, and how many people he left behind.

    Spike was in purgatory, brehs :sadbron: Yo, didn't Vicious tell him he was in purgatory in Ballad of The Fallen Angels? Yo I gotta go check that out.
     
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    Of course it was pertaining to that episode. Yet it also pertained to the overall conflict with Spike, breh. On shrooms, they all see the issues they face. Remember, Faye has a vision she's under water with fish. Well how does she come to a realization of her past? She takes a shower and realizes what happen to her while she's "underwater".
     
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    It's getting too real, TOO DAMN REAL :no:

    Quick theories I found on another forum was that Spike died in Session 5: BOTFA, and another says the crew all died in Toys in the Attic, and in both instances, the rest of the show was the dream.

    Rogueass' theory got more beef to it, tho. The search continues :wow:
     
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