Study: Hillary Clinton lying for 13 straight minutes

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Hillary is a political Rorschach. She is whatever is most convenient at the time

 

[the cac mamba]

ill only vote for her if its her vs cruz or rubio

 

[TransJenner]

fukk Hillary bring back Bill

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I see Hillary supporters avoiding this thread like the plague

 

[TDOT4LIFE]

How can anybody trust this woman.

 

[rapbeats]

I see Hillary supporters avoiding this thread like the plague

exactly,

if i was 18 years old today. then i could see some young hillary supporter crying about this video and calling it a shady editing job that made her look bad. but for the rest of us who actually Remembers all of these moments. This video just showed us what we already knew about her. she's a politician like the rest. she will say WHATEVER she needs to say to get in. and we know what she is really about.

is hill a progressive? on two issues(well she used to be on 2, now its just one).

#1 her old progressive issue was universal healthcare
But not any more. you hear her talking that obamacare is good enough for now talk.

#2 which is now her only progressive issue. is Women's Rights(which really means WHITE women's rights.)

on everything else, she's a moderate/corporatist at best.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

exactly,

if i was 18 years old today. then i could see some young hillary supporter crying about this video and calling it a shady editing job that made her look bad. but for the rest of us who actually Remembers all of these moments. This video just showed us what we already knew about her. she's a politician like the rest. she will say WHATEVER she needs to say to get in. and we know what she is really about.

is hill a progressive? on two issues(well she used to be on 2, now its just one).

#1 her old progressive issue was universal healthcare
But not any more. you hear her talking that obamacare is good enough for now talk.

#2 which is now her only progressive issue. is Women's Rights(which really means WHITE women's rights.)

on everything else, she's a moderate/corporatist at best.

She recently said universal healthcare will never happen in this country

 

[rapbeats]

She recently said universal healthcare will never happen in this country

thats beyond Snoop face because i was riding for her back when they were giving her them lashing cause they hated a women brought it to them like she did. And here we are.

 

[BaldingSoHard]

I see Hillary supporters avoiding this thread like the plague

Hillary has supporters?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Hillary has supporters?

@88m3

 

[Dr. Acula]

I see Hillary supporters avoiding this thread like the plague

I'm here. Too lazy to watch the whole 13 min video right now but I did skip through it. I should be doing some work right now anyways on something else but I'm goofing around on the coli in between on my laptop here lol. However, a lot of these "changes in Positions" are some of the changes that other politicians like Obama for example have also changed on.

Bernie, Hillary, and Obama were all at one time against gay marriage.
How Bernie Sanders Evolved on Gay Marriage - Bernie's "evolution"
Obama Says He Didn't Mislead on Gay Marriage - Obama's "Evolution"

Politicians change their opinions and stances often. I've said several times I'm not on the extreme left and personally I wish there was someone who I Personally felt more comfortable with than Bernie. I've stated how Bernie's tax plan would impact people in my family including put someone at a 35% tax bracket for example and how I disagree on other issues. I hate sounding like a broken record in every topic like this so I'm not going into details in this one. At the end of the day, when general election time comes, I'm voting for who falls closely in line with my beliefs.

Also unless its really really blatant that the person is being deceptive, I don't hold it against politicians . Who know....maybe one day Bernie for example will "Evolve" on reparations instead of saying its politically infeasible just like being for gay marriage and being perceived as "soft on crime" was also at one time politically infeasible. Bernie is just much nicer about it and what he says about it. At the end of the day he still voted for the 1994 crime prevention act at one time (despite his protest he still went down as a yea vote), disagreed with gay marriage, and doesn't support reparations, regardless of the reasoning surrounding it. I'm not judging him for it as much just highlighting the hypocrisy and apologetics by a lot of people because they simply like Bernie more.

Finally, you could also look at "evolving" in a positive manner in the sense of that, a politician might take a disagreeable stance while the base is screaming "YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG" while decreasing their electoral chances in the process. The politician comes around, whether through political calculation or sincere change in beliefs, and finally says they agree or will implement policies that their voting bloc longed for over time. Does it make sense to be angry that they didn't agree with you at the right arbitrary time at first or be happy that at least, at this period of time, you have someone who more than likely will enact not everything you wish for but most things either close or exactly what you wished for?

I'm not naive, to the fact the other side of the coin is that the person is untrustworthy due to inconsistency. Just putting a different perspective out there.

 

[Broke Wave]

I'm here. Too lazy to watch the whole 13 min video right now but I did skip through it. I should be doing some work right now anyways on something else but I'm goofing around on the coli in between on my laptop here lol. However, a lot of these "changes in Positions" are some of the changes that other politicians like Obama for example have also changed on.

Bernie, Hillary, and Obama were all at one time against gay marriage.
How Bernie Sanders Evolved on Gay Marriage - Bernie's "evolution"
Obama Says He Didn't Mislead on Gay Marriage - Obama's "Evolution"

Politicians change their opinions and stances often. I've said several times I'm not on the extreme left and personally I wish there was someone who I Personally felt more comfortable with than Bernie. I've stated how Bernie's tax plan would impact people in my family including put someone at a 35% tax bracket for example and how I disagree on other issues. I hate sounding like a broken record in every topic like this so I'm not going into details in this one. At the end of the day, when general election time comes, I'm voting for who falls closely in line with my beliefs.

Also unless its really really blatant that the person is being deceptive, I don't hold it against politicians . Who know....maybe one day Bernie for example will "Evolve" on reparations instead of saying its politically infeasible just like being against gay marriage and being perceived as "soft on crime" was also at one time politically infeasible. Bernie is just much nicer about it and what he says about it. At the end of the day he still voted for the 1994 crime prevention act at one time (despite his protest he still went down as a yea vote), disagreed with gay marriage, and doesn't support reparations, regardless of the reasoning surrounding it. I'm not judging him for it as much just highlighting the hypocrisy and apologetics by a lot of people because they simply like Bernie more.

Finally, you could also look at "evolving" in a positive manner in the sense of that, a politician might take a disagreeable stance while the base is screaming "YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG" while decreasing their electoral chances in the process. The politician comes around, whether through political calculation or sincere change in beliefs, and finally says they agree or will implement policies that their voting bloc longed for over time. Does it make sense to be angry that they didn't agree with you at the right arbitrary time at first or be happy that at least, at this period of time, you have someone who more than likely will enact not everything you wish for but most things either close or exactly what you wished for?

I'm not naive, to the fact the other side of the coin is that the person is untrustworthy due to inconsistency. Just putting a different perspective out there.

Ok fact check, sanders was never against gay rights. Read the time magazine article which itself was a giant smear. They do not have any votes or evidence of sanders against gay rights and in fact, as mayor of burlington, he proclaimed a gay rights parade in 1983. Read your own links.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Ok fact check, sanders was never against gay rights. Read the time magazine article which itself was a giant smear. They do not have any votes or evidence of sanders against gay rights and in fact, as mayor of burlington, he proclaimed a gay rights parade in 1983. Read your own links.

Gay rights is not gay marriage....

Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True.

But Sanders is not quite the gay rights visionary his defenders would like us to believe. Sanders did oppose DOMA—but purely on states’ rights grounds. And as recently as 2006, Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont. The senator may have evolved earlier than his primary opponents. But the fact remains that, in the critical early days of the modern marriage equality movement, Sanders was neutral at best and hostile at worst.

He even used classic "states rights" argument to be against DOMA instead of human rights appeal that are popular among liberals as of now but he was against gay marriage in his state.

As far as the gay rights issue, there are some contradictory statements you can find in Sander's past

Earlier in his political career, Sanders was even more indifferent toward gay rights, which W.J. Conroy recounts in his book Challenging the Boundaries of Reform: Socialism in Burlington. When serving as mayor of Burlington, Sanders told an interviewer that LGBT rights were not a “major priority” for him. Asked if he would support a bill to protect gays from job discrimination, Sanders responded, “probably not.”

Still, Sanders’ exaggeration of his marriage equality record is strange and unwise. If Sanders were honest about his evolution—and, yes, it was an evolution—then he could still brag about supporting marriage equality long before his chief primary rival. Instead, he has attempted to reframe his somewhat tepid support as vociferous and unabating. The LGBTQ community can surely forgive Sanders’ less-than-spotless record on gay rights—but that process can only begin once he’s honest about it. And in the Democratic candidates’ race to secure the gay community’s vote, honesty has been in surprisingly short supply.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Despite the above, I don't believe Sanders to be the spawn of Satan. Like I said, a lot of politicians "evolve" including the son of christ, Sanders. I'm not going to demagogue Sanders to oblivion simply because I don't support him during the primary season and if he for some reason was the nominee, even if he wasn't my first choice, I won't be sour grapes about it and probably vote for him in the general.