'The Last of Us' - Season 2 Thread (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | HBO | Neil Druckmann stepping away from creative involvement

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I'd say showing Ellie kill more infected, soldiers, or Scars would be more mindless action that wouldn't serve the narrative of the show any further. It might be cool to see though

I see. That's fair; it would get deeper in to Walking Dead territory if so. I think there's a happy medium, like if there was a threat she got out of en route to Seattle rather than just the horseback riding montage...or, since they made up the hanging scene in this episode anyway, had her get out of that thru cunning or skills she developed could help.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

No, I know what "plot armor" is and apparently it has to be explained to you. At it's core, it's a main character surviving dangerous situations, almost impossible situations to advance the story. If she's out here shooting 200 soldiers like she does in the game, that's plot armor. That's shyt that absolutely would be criticized just like every other time she's killed someone in the show. Nobody is misusing words.

this is true.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

For me, it feels like she hasn't learned shyt from all those years of training with joel/tommy/maturity. No strategy, no sense of surrounding, just a dumb teenager. No one needs her to be Schwarzenegger in commando killing an entire platoon but she can utilize stealth to take a few soldiers out and show us she is competent in going to Seattle and enacting her goals.

Dina seems to be the one with the proper head on her shoulders and better equipped. I just never believe anything she's doing like I do with Jessie/tommy. It doesn't help that they constantly tell her what a fukk up she is and you sit there and say "you know what? They're right!"

yeah, it makes her significantly less likable for sure.

 

[HiiiPower]

For what it’s worth, I agree with y’all saying she shouldn’t be mowing down 100 people like it’s a video game, that would be crazy, my issues with the writing are how they wrote Ellie, it’s nothing to do with Bella…she’s just so much more unlikeable, incompetent and bratty in this then she is in the game, I still enjoyed it for the most part, and iv advocated for enjoying them as 2 different mediums, but at a certain point…it’s hard not to compare

Also not a fan with having the porch scene take place where it did in the story, I understand wanting it as a bookend for the flashback ep…but it’s also very important where it takes place and is revealed in the game too

This "finale" made me decide to look up what happens in the rest of the game because I'm not waiting 2 more years to find out.

All I can say is... meh. I don't like it nor do I hate it

This game is the biggest example of how watching a “movie” version on YouTube or reading a recap doesn’t do it justice to playing through it, it was one of the best gaming experiences iv ever had

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I have a question for yall; do you think that the show suffers from the inability (or choice not to) show Ellie' skills progress over time, by you as the player improving and getting abilities, vs the show having most of Ellie's kills being borderline luck or happenstance, or her acting shocked after them? That perhaps if the show showed more of Ellie killing and getting better at defense and stealth she'd be more convincing?

Or is that not an important element to your argument?

I don't think it would matter because at the end of the day, Ellie is a teenager and no matter how much hand to hand or weapons training she's had, or how many times it's shown on screen, I still feel people would criticize it either way. People unfamiliar with the games would write it off as plot armor and say that it's "taking them out of the story" and people who are into the games will criticize the show if there isn't enough time spent on her mowing people down during this revenge tour. I don't think there's anything that can be done to please all of the parties. I remember this being a thing with Arya Stark in 'Game of Thrones' and even after she was trained to be an assassin there were still detractors who didn't like her.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

This game is the biggest example of how watching a “movie” version on YouTube or reading a recap doesn’t do it justice to playing through it, it was one of the best gaming experiences iv ever had

Like i said earlier, you can’t really get the full experience of the narrative without physically playing the game yourself.

and you should play it on survival difficulty

 

[StatUS]

I have a question for yall; do you think that the show suffers from the inability (or choice not to) show Ellie' skills progress over time, by you as the player improving and getting abilities, vs the show having most of Ellie's kills being borderline luck or happenstance, or her acting shocked after them? That perhaps if the show showed more of Ellie killing and getting better at defense and stealth she'd be more convincing?

Or is that not an important element to your argument?

EDIT: [i said abby at first; pure typo]

I just don't think it makes sense to write Ellie as helpless as she is. Not everyone in the LOU world is a trained killer but she is. Now grounding that into reality is hard especially since the actress they chose isn't quite the fit. But they took that challenge on. She needs to be able to earn her progress through the series. Otherwise it isn't as realistic as they think if she is just escaping everything like a Scooby Doo show.

Other than the show being rushed I still think it's good but the characterization is gonna hurt the payoff at the end imo if they don't change course a bit next season.

 

[King Static X]

Ellie saw the Scars disembowel that guy in the woods AND shoot Dina in the leg with an arrow but yet she wants to crash out over some Scar "kid"

Also, it wasn't like he was 10 or something. He looked like a 20-year-old man. Get the f*ck out of here, Ellie

 

[987654321]

I just watched a 30 min spoiler breakdown and
1. I can see why ppl love the story but
2. This should be maybe a trilogy of movies but no way should it be a 4 season series.

Did you play the games? Trying to cram all that shyt into 3 movies would be a terrible idea

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I don't think it would matter because at the end of the day, Ellie is a teenager and no matter how much hand to hand or weapons training she's had, or how many times it's shown on screen, I still feel people would criticize it either way. People unfamiliar with the games would write it off as plot armor and say that it's "taking them out of the story" and people who are into the games will criticize the show if there isn't enough time spent on her mowing people down during this revenge tour. I don't think there's anything that can be done to please all of the parties. I remember this being a thing with Arya Stark in 'Game of Thrones' and even after she was trained to be an assassin there were still detractors who didn't like her.

we accepted Carl from TWD as a fukking beast simply because he was born into that world and we rationalized (because they showed it) that he was built for it. I think you can definitely get there if you do it right.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I just don't think it makes sense to write Ellie as helpless as she is. Not everyone in the LOU world is a trained killer but she is. Now grounding that into reality is hard especially since the actress they chose isn't quite the fit. But they took that challenge on. She needs to be able to earn her progress through the series. Otherwise it isn't as realistic as they think if she is just escaping everything like a Scooby Doo show.

Other than the show being rushed I still think it's good but the characterization is gonna hurt the payoff at the end imo if they don't change course a bit next season.

this is exactly where I stand

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Just like the game, everyone has completely different complaints about the show

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

we accepted Carl from TWD as a fukking beast

I think everyone turning into killing machines in The Walking Dead is what ultimately made it super corny. Even carol was like terminator by the end of the series

it was pretty much the avengers vs zombies and bandits by season 5

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I think everyone turning into killing machines in The Walking Dead is what ultimately made it super corny. Even carol was like terminator by the end of the series

it was pretty much the avengers vs zombies and bandits by season 5

I think its very safe to say that yes, Carl killing people and zombies was more realistic and accepted than Ellie.

 

[904]

For what it’s worth, I agree with y’all saying she shouldn’t be mowing down 100 people like it’s a video game, that would be crazy, my issues with the writing are how they wrote Ellie, it’s nothing to do with Bella…she’s just so much more unlikeable, incompetent and bratty in this then she is in the game, I still enjoyed it for the most part, and iv advocated for enjoying them as 2 different mediums, but at a certain point…it’s hard not to compare

I'm with you.. I think Bella is doing fine with what she's been given.

I don't expect a 19 year old to be the most mature in world (she showed immaturity in the game), but this Ellie hasn't really shown any growth from season 1 to 2. She still feels childlike, she felt like she was following Jesse rather than being by his side equally.