Was/Is Obamacare(ACA) a failure or success?

[Pressure]

Lmao at thinking RomneyCare was a shining success in MA.

You mean [USER=2550]@the cac mamba[/USER].
Nice trick cac.

 

[Pressure]

First thought of by Richard Nixon in the 1970s, then put into policy papers by the Heritage Foundation a couple decades later!

At its peak MA had 97% health coverage. Do you consider that a failure?

 

[ill]

At its peak MA had 97% health coverage. Do you consider that a failure?

RomneyCare was a failure outside of insuring the uninsured and creating a group policy.

It raised costs across the board and the largest burden was placed on the middle class and small business owners, who saw rates rise at a much faster pace than before the law. It cost my state an additional 1.2% of our total budget, annually, which amounted to about $400 million extra per year. They don't call this place Taxachusetts for no reason.

RomneyCare failed to lower costs, it didn't reign in on over-billing in the medical industry, it failed in getting group discount rates, it was a tremendous burden on small businesses, and in the end it was scrapped for ACA (which will eventually follow suit).

 

[DEAD7]

Using anecdotal experiences to gauge the success of a program like Obamacare is pointless as it implies that it could only be a success if it improved the lives of everybody, which is an impossible standard to meet. If you want to point to rising rates as "proof" of it's failure then you need to show that rising rates were A. directly caused by Obamacare and B. outweighed by the benefit of ensuring millions of more people became insured.

 

[Pressure]

RomneyCare was a failure outside of insuring the uninsured and creating a group policy.

Understood.

For me, anything that increases the amounts of insured should be considered a success since that has been the primary purpose of RomneyCare or Obamacare.

How much of one is debatable.

The other issues will largely continue to exist as long as we maintain for-profit health insurance and primary healthcare in general.

 

[jilla82]

it depends who you ask.

Small Business owners, and younger healthy people got killed.

My premiums went from about $160 a month, to $300, and rose again to $500.

Black folks love the shyt because our entrepreneurial numbers are low...
...we dont realize it...but as the years go past the government makes sure we are more and more dependent upon them.

As others have pointed out...Obama should have went for what he really wanted (if he really wanted single payer).
This half ass shyt really fuked a lot of people.

Healthcare is stuipd expensive because its expected to pay for routine shyt.

Imagine what your car insurance premium would be if people expected to to pay for maintenance.
Regular checkups etc... should be paid out of pocket...and insurance should be held for semi major events.

 

[duckbutta]

Come on. It was/is obviously a failure.

And it's failure started with Obama himself. That's no exaggeration.

If he wanted single payer he should have pitched single payer. The core flaw in the thinkingof of corporate democrats is that they think they if they suck enough Big Business cock, the Big Business will be nice to them and the populace in return. Or they just dont give a fukk.

People are shytting on Trump, but if you're honest it's easy to see that he's SUPER effective at pushing his agendas. And that's because he's use to being bold. The ONLY way to get things done as president (or at anything in life) is to be bold a fall on your fukking sword if need be.

If Obama wanted single-payer he shouldbhave pushed single payer. Point. Blank. Period. His whole adminstration was filled with puccy as moves. That's a fact you can take to the bank.

 

[duckbutta]

Mostly a failure...but...american healthcare is geared to turn a profit instead of keeping its citizens healthy...so...every single healthcare plan we ever have will in the end...be a failure...

 

[tru_m.a.c]

My premiums went from about $160 a month, to $300, and rose again to $500.

Can you tell us what your premium increases were from 2006 - 2013?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

RomneyCare was a failure outside of insuring the uninsured and creating a group policy.

It raised costs across the board and the largest burden was placed on the middle class and small business owners, who saw rates rise at a much faster pace than before the law. It cost my state an additional 1.2% of our total budget, annually, which amounted to about $400 million extra per year. They don't call this place Taxachusetts for no reason.

RomneyCare failed to lower costs, it didn't reign in on over-billing in the medical industry, it failed in getting group discount rates, it was a tremendous burden on small businesses, and in the end it was scrapped for ACA (which will eventually follow suit).

what?

Man take your russian ass and go on somewhere b

 

[tru_m.a.c]

A public option is a government funded insurance plan that competes with private insurance rates. By definition the Medicaid expansion is a public option.

breh that makes no sense. If that were the case, why would conservative democrats be against the public option but okay with Medicaid expansion?

Medicaid is an administrative needs-based program. There are income and asset limits. All medicaid expansion did was raise the income limit. To do so government subsidies were provided to state's willing to increase their Medicaid income limits to 133% of the FPL. It is not available to anyone who drops their private insurer.

When they refer to Medicaid public options or medicare public options, they're trying to simplify public policy by recycling established Title 18/19 frameworks instead of recreating the wheel.

Public options, buy-in options, and single payer are all different concepts.

Medicaid and Medicare are programs.

Medicaid expansion was just modification of eligibility parameters through a different funding mechanism.