Where did this myth come from that NYC didnt show love to other coasts back in the day?

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Thats not how I remembered it?


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80's Hip Hop for the most part was NYC...But I was introduced to Eazy E and NWA courtesy of a Hip Hop show in NYC called Video Music Box. Video Music Box was a 1 hour show on UHF that came on 5 days a week that for the most part played whoever was hot in Hip Hop and had a video. When Toc Loc came out with "Wild Thing" and " Funky Cold Medina" it got nonstop play not only on Video Music Box but also on NYC top 40 radio. The same with Young MC when "Bust A Move" dropped. You know who else was big on Video Music Box? MC Hammer....This was before "You Cant Touch This"....MC Hammer in the late 80's didnt get top 40 radioplay like Tone Loc and Young MC but he was heavy on Video Music Box and Kiss/WBLS when they played Hip Hop.

We had BET and The Box so we were exposed to whoever was hot in the country when the 90's kicked in as well. When MC Hammer finally did drop "You Cant Touch This" That sh*t was all over the place.....Radio, TV....we watched the Hammer cartoon show, I had Hammer posters(along with other artists) on my wall at age 10 courtesy of Fresh magazine. From what I remember NY was fukking with Hammer around this time tho years later he would be the target for hate but that had nothing to do with NY(even that show South Central made a reference to Hammer being a "sell out"....NYC was also fukking with the show South Central heavy). Now for the most part 2 Live Crew was considered wack lyrically but they stood out due to their over the top vulgarity, silly catchy hooks, heavy bass and videos with half naked women that were banned on most stations yet only got play on The BOX(some 2 live crew songs did get airplay on mtv but that was after hours) . From what I remember in NYC , Me So Horny, Pop That Coochie and I Wanna Rock were enjoyed for what they were visually. I still acknowledge 2 live Crew being the innovators of half naked women in Hip Hop music videos(i'll never forget seeing Rakims Dont Sweat The Technique video for the first time and thinking "wow..the god took a lil of 2 Live Crews style there.")




Radio

NY didnt have a Hip Hop station until summer 1993 when Hot 97 changed its format from a dance station. Prior to that NY C had Kiss FM and WBLS which were R&B stations that played hip hop here and there. So for the most part if you had a song that was a big hit it found its way on NY radio. 2 Live Crew , NWA, Too Short, Ice T and Geto Boys didnt get NY radio play in the late 80's cuz there music was vulgur and back in the day blackradio had a lil decency unlike today so you only heard of them thru mags, videos and word of mouth(keep in mind EPMD and Public Enemy at the time were also complaining about not getting radio airplay in NYC).


Music


Hammer was mainstream but when it came to real Hip Hop Ice Cube was the go to west coast rep from what I remember. Till this day i say Ice Cube was the leader of the 90's new school...he played the good guy to NWA's bad guy. Now lets speak on NWA....when nikkaz4Life dropped, this is what I remember....NY was fukking with this album heavy. This album was word of mouth heavy. "She swallowed it" was a quote everyone would say when referencing that album. This album was real big when it dropped not only in hip hop but in the record industry as well. It was the first record to soundscan at #1. It was underground music at its finest. No songs on the radio. only word of mouth and a few videos on The Box yet it will always be attached to being the first record to soundscan #1.This album was the beginning of gangster raps dominance. When Public Enemys 4th album failed to meet the hyped up expectations in 1991, the championship belt went to NWA for being the best group that year. I still attribute the sucess of this album to "when the evil seeped into the Hip Hop culture." Even the album cover is evil yet awe inspring at the same time. It was so big that till this day it boggles me how The Chronic has outmaxed it in popularity as the years have gone by...If The Chronic album were a double disc nikkaz4Life would be disc 1. I think of all the classic songs and albums that came out of 1991 yet that album in my neck of the woods was the most popular that year, hands down with Tribes 2nd album coming in 2nd. I went to school in east Harlem but lived in Harlem and this is what I remember in the school and around the neighborhood(I also remember Ice Ice Baby getting heavy play out of many trunks in east and west Harlem when Vanilla Ice had just arrived on the scene)

Also...everyone was fukking with the Humpty Dance...this is undeniable.

When "fukk Compton" dropped we fukked wit it cuz the song went hard. But there was no taking sides like that cuz by early 93 we were fukking with that "Dre Day." Snoops 2nd verse had quotables at Tim Dog for days and heads in NY where reciting them nonstop. Finally, the Geto Boys. I first heard Mind Playing Tricks On Me summer 91 in New Orleans. It was big down there but didnt hit NYC till the fall. When it did hit..NYC was fukking with it from what I remember. It was nothing to hear some kid quoting any line from that one song. That song was big in NYC. But thats the thing. in 1991 there were a lot of big hip hop songs like OPP, Summertime, How I Could Just Kill A Man, Choice Is Yours, Lets Talk About Sex and 2 Legit 2 Quit.

We supported Yo Yo, The Cookie Crew, Oaktowns 357 , JJ Fad, Monie Love, Boss and every dude my age wanted to fukk Da Brat.


I also have to mention the record stores. Wether big outlets like Nobody Beats The Wiz or a mom and Pop..NYC for the most part had everyone who was popping. I remember 2IINone albums, Spice 1, Poison Clan, The Convicts....NYC had everyone who was hot, specifically Harlem 125th.
NYC used to have billboards of rappers singles and albums all over NYC. The first time I heard of AMG was when he had this big billboard on 125 with the "Jiggable Pie" single album cover with the girl in Daisy Dukes sticking out her ass while holding a pie. I bought the single and album courtesy of that bilboard and was also introduced to DJ Quik courtesy of AMG.


Movies

We supported Ice T in New Jack City as well as Boyz N The Hood , South Central, Menace II Society and Friday.. NYC supported Cali culture so much we adopted thier gang culture(Till this day I say Hip Hop music had a role in all of that but thats another story. ) Also, when that 'Bout It' movie dropped, it was the talk of the town in NYC.



Magazines


The magazines of the 80's consisted of Fresh(The source of the 80's), Word Up(XXL of the 80's), Black Beat(vibe of the 80's) and Right On. These mags had articles and posters of whoever was hot in Hip Hop. Fresh mag is where i learned that NWA meant 'nikkaz wit attitude.'I dont know why references to Source Magazine and The Source awards are used to justify a means to say NYC didnt support music from other coasts. So what Outkast got booed in NY. Outkast isnt the first rap act to get booed. Source and Vibe magazine were not the end all be all. The fans werent concerned with the politics behind the scenes that an up and coming rapper who wasnt from NYC had to deal with back in the day....Fans of the music could give two fukks about all of that.....If you were on BET you were in....If you had music that was word of mouth you were in. The only time I remember a strong seperation of the coasts in hip hop was Death Row vs Bad Boy and that was for a short while yet the impact of that one moment still lingers til this day.


In closing, NYC's dominance in the 80's and early 90's hip hop was due to the fact that hip hop started in NYC so that is where the core element developed. Anyone outside of NYC was an automatic minority by default not because of ill intention so when I hear this myth of NYC not showing love to other coasts I cant help but to respond by saying "That's not the way I remember it."




Songs that I remember on heavy rotation after Hot 97 changed its format to Hip Hop summer 1993:




Dominoe _ Ghetto Jam / Sweet Potato Pie
Snoop - Gin and Juice
2pac - I get around / Keep Ya Head up (Ran these songs into the ground)
DRS - Gangsta Lean ( ran this song into the ground along with WBLS)
Cypress Hill - Insane In The Membrane
MC Eiht - Straight Up Menace (non stop with this song)
Tag Team - Whop There It Is (ran this song in the ground as well a kiss and wbls)
Warren G - Regulate / This DJ
Scarface - Never seen a Man cry
2pac - Dear Mama
2Pac - Old School (this wasnt even a single , it was an album cut yet it got heavy rotation on Hot 97...matter fact, the first time I ever heard this song was on Hot 97)
Coolio - Gangster Paradise
Goodie Mob - Cell Therapy

and I'll never ever forget spring 97 when B-Rock, The Bizz's song "My Baby Daddy" won the Angie Martinez's Battle Of The Beats for a week. Till this day I still say that the success of that song was "the beginning of the fukkery in Hip Hop"
 
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:ehh: It's true NY didnt have 100% hate for the West, but there were lame fans/industry nikkas showing bias and jealousy.


I dont know what industry nikkas showing jealosy has to do with anything because that was of no concern to the fan, especially when there was already internal hate in NYC so all of that is irrelevant.


Can u please elaborate on what you mean by "lame fans"

who were these "lame fans" as u say in 87 - 93?? Where were they? I just gave numerous examples of how the people from around my way (which was between Harlem and Bronx) pretty much was riding with whatever was hot from wherever.
I remember people around my way hating on NYC rappers just as they would any other rapper. Where is your source for your claim? my source is me bearing witness to what was going on in NYC 87 - 93...who are your witnesses?
 

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I dont know about myth. Of course there were many eastcoast supporters, but its still true. Eastcoast created genre so whatever else that they werent used to is naturally gonna have that affect. NWA got bottle rocked & so on at a few shows in NY in the late 80s/early 90s. But then there were also many supporters. But the game itself followed the same path. Radio etc. But as i said it was just a natural reaction. Its how people reacted once the South got mainstream popular even in the late 90s & a decade ago. Some like it, some dont. Its okay.
 
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I dont know what industry nikkas showing jealosy has to do with anything because that was of no concern to the fan, especially when there was already internal hate in NYC so all of that is irrelevant.


Can u please elaborate on what you mean by "lame fans"

who were these "lame fans" as u say in 87 - 93?? Where were they? I just gave numerous examples of how the people from around my way (which was between Harlem and Bronx) pretty much was riding with whatever was hot from wherever.
I remember people around my way hating on NYC rappers just as they would any other rapper. Where is your source for your claim? my source is me bearing witness to what was going on in NYC 87 - 93...who are your witnesses?
The fukk you yapping about? Are you really saying that there weren't rap fans that are either from NY (or East Coast Centric) that were "elitist" hating on the West coast/South?

I don't need "sources" to back up a well known thing. And it's not like I was saying the entire east coast was hating on the east, there was only a select few (this can also be applied to the west coast as well)

You want to tell me what Artist from what coast started the east vs west beef? And it falls between 87-93
 

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And there wasn't any west coast bias as far as radio was concerned....We played it ALL :blessed: shyt 90? 91?

PE
Tribe
Nice N Smooth
KRS
Gang Starr
MC Breed
ED OG
UMC's
Scarface
D-Nice
Poor Righteous Teachers.......


shyt, even this shyt got radio n video play on The Box:russ:Fool would be in somebody's top 5 if he dropped today:heh:

 

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^^^^

Thats the thing about The Box...You sat there and just watched whatever came on. That song you posted is straight nostalgia. They also had that song "work it out baby"(which was wack but we still sang along). I remember when a vido like Brenda's Git a Baby or Mind Playing Tricks would come on....you stopped and watched. Video power was a lot different back then...I remember Eric Sermon speaking on how he would just sit there and watch the artist titles and numbers with no video on and wouldnt turn because that channel was that addicting. Whatever came on we watched....Like I said The Box introduced NY to whoever was hot across the country.
 

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:whoa: Let's not re-write history here.

I've moved around quite a bit and NY radio was the least diversified than anywhere that I've ever lived. :comeon: This aint no damn myth. That goes for Hot 97(radio) and Video Music Box (video). What isn't being mentioned is this east coast train of thought that says if the music doesn't contain the knowledge of self philosophy, then it isn't true HipHop music and thus is rejected. A train of thought that originates from NY. That train of thought permeates throughout the media and the streets then and now. Also, much is being said about West Coast music but nothing about the South. Maybe some big West Coast joints got love but it doesn't sound like the South got the same love. When Outkast was speaking at the Source awardS back in the day, they weren't talking to the West coast or the South, they were talking to the East. If this is a myth then why did they say it? Even Treach from Naughty by Nature from East Orange NJ said he was riding with the West during the East West thing because they got more love out there than NY. Let's bring up the fact that alot of NY heads just don't respect anything that's not out of NY, even if the cats is literally just a few minutes away from them in NJ. Alot of them is on some 'we created this everything else is phony' bs. The same way the Smack battle rappers (most of the top rappers there are NY heads) act towards other leagues.

So I wouldn't say that this is a myth and I'm speaking partially from experience of being on the East and the South. Another thing is the bass heavy music the West and South made for riding in cars, when traditionally NY heads was walking, catching cabs and riding the subway. Alot of that sort of music just wasn't felt and/or relate-able to the average NY'er.

When New York nikkas was calling southern rappers lame
But then jacking our slang
- Jay Electronica :umad:

But what's ill is this:
Finally, the Geto Boys. I first heard Mind Playing Tricks On Me summer 91 in New Orleans. It was big down there but didnt hit NYC till the fall. When it did hit.
I was in New Orleans too the first time I heard it. I was back there in Little Woods and then when I got back to Texas, it didn't dropped until months later! Funny how Louisiana had it before Texas even though it came out of Texas.
 

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:whoa:Let's not re-write history here.

I've moved around quite a bit and NY radio was the least diversified than anywhere that I've ever lived. :comeon: This aint no damn myth. That goes for Hot 97(radio) and Video Music Box (video). What isn't being mentioned is this east coast train of thought that says if the music doesn't contain the knowledge of self philosophy, then it isn't true HipHop music and thus is rejected.

Its not being said because this is complete nonsense.

-LL Cool J wasnt socially consious like that and he was the first rap superstar solo.

-if this is true then why did NWA's nikkaz4life album hit so hard in NYC and it was void on any consciousness at all?

- I dont remember EPMD or Fresh Prince or Salt N Pepa being rejected as u said because they didnt make knowledge of self music. That makes no sense.


:rudy:


A train of thought that originates from NY. That train of thought permeates throughout the media and the streets then and now.




There was never any such train of thought...as I said NYC never rejected music because it wasnt stressing "knowledge Of Self" as u stated....Thats a complete lie. We were doing the Humpty Dance....there was no knowledge of self philospohy in that song. u are bugging


:what:




Also, much is being said about West Coast music but nothing about the South. Maybe some big West Coast joints got love but it doesn't sound like the South got the same love.




Dude.....u sound like u lying...I dont believe u were around and about in the late 80's. U dont sound like it. Dude...There was little variety that NYC had access to that consisted of Southern Hip Hop music. The biggest act from the south that we knew about was 2 Live Crew..Thats it. Geto Boys didnt hit NYC till the 90's. why would i bring up the south when talking about the late 80's early 90's when there wasnt much variety? and to be honest with u.....no one cared where the music came from fool no one was rejecting something because it wasnt from NYC...if it was hot it was hot....Thats why NWA was heavy in NYC. No one was stressing coasts like that. We played Ton Loc and Young MC and didnt care it was from Cali...U are a liar.


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When Outkast was speaking at the Source awardS back in the day, they weren't talking to the West coast or the South, they were talking to the East. If this is a myth then why did they say it? Even Treach from Naughty by Nature from East Orange NJ said he was riding with the West during the East West thing because they got more love out there than NY.

The only time I ever knew of NY/NJ friction was in the streets...Never in Hip Hop. Naughty got love. being big. Redman was a looked up to as greatness. When Lords Of The UnderGround were doing they thing they got love. Fugees? forget about it. Latifah has always been queen. Maybe in the streets but i never heard of any NY/NJ friction in Hip Hop.Andree 3000 once admitted that before he got with Erykah that Keisha from the group Total had him p*ssy whipped. Keisha is from NJ thats all i'm gonna say on that.






Let's bring up the fact that alot of NY heads just don't respect anything that's not out of NY, even if the cats is literally just a few minutes away from them in NJ. Alot of them is on some 'we created this everything else is phony' bs. The same way the Smack battle rappers (most of the top rappers there are NY heads) act towards other leagues.

I can agree with this. NY heads are territorial. We still were bumping other cities mus



So I wouldn't say that this is a myth




You made zero valid points. Not once did you prove ya original statemnet which challenged about what I said being a myth. You've made no accounts of anything u just claimed to have been there with no examples at all.



and I'm speaking partially from experience of being on the East and the South. Another thing is the bass heavy music the West and South made for riding in cars, when traditionally NY heads was walking, catching cabs and riding the subway. Alot of that sort of music just wasn't felt and/or relate-able to the average NY'er.




Dude...the more u talk the more u sound like a liar. What the hell kind of dumb statemnt is this??

The average New Yorker was getting driven in cabs?? u sound stupid. Im not saying u are stupid but thats a very stupid statement.

Maybe your family was broke when you lived in NYC but my family had cars. The train was for school and getting around because you were to young to have a car. You cant really make moves as a family man with no car in NYC.....any grownman who has kids and no car in NYC is doing something wrong.

When New York nikkas was calling southern rappers lame
But then jacking our slang
- Jay Electronica :umad:

But what's ill is this:

I was in New Orleans too the first time I heard it. I was back there in Little Woods and then when I got back to Texas, it didn't dropped until months later! Funny how Louisiana had it before Texas even though it came out of Texas.

Hip Hop came on at a certain time of the day in New Orleans as well....My cousin would tune in at 9 everyday to listen to that song because that was teh power of radio baCK THen. I thought it was just some local rap group and never expected that song to come to New York. It was bugged seeing what they looked like when the video finally dropped.
 
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shyt is non existant. But everybody different. It's like the still present day so called "hate" for the South. All my ppl in the Bay fucc with the south and it goes way back. Same with people all over. I love when dudes have "region" beefs like ok Breh there are dirtbags from everywhere, rats, fiends, snakes and the other end with solid cats everywhere. There are cowards in Oakland and New Orleans and there are real ones from Omaha Nebraska and Birmingham Alabama. But let most tell it...
 

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Very fascinating discussion. I'm not a New York dude but I've had convos like this with acquaintances in Texas. They claim that NY frequently dissed them and never gave them the light of day. While the South was bumping everything East Coast HARD.

I'd love to hear more thoughts on this.

@smokeurobinson if what you say is true, why was there so much vitriol towards ASAP Rocky when he dropped Live.Love.ASAP? I talked to a couple people (even Harlem cats). And they just thought it was the most disrespectful thing ever. Anytime I see someone mention Rocky, the first thing: 'why he sound like the south?!"

It's not even an analysis of whether the music actually sounds good or not. That territorial mentality seems like some real shyt to me. And the joke is, Live.Love.ASAP sounds more NY than the other regions it borrows (though you have to listen closely - on the surface Screw seems to be the most prominent element but the overall approach is boom bap ish).

You sound like you know your shyt and were actually there. Enlighten a brotha
 
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