ltheghost
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I didn't vote but I know you did. Voting for liars and thieves and having high expectations in your life.![]()
Hey I voted...didn't say a thing about having high expectations. lol
I didn't vote but I know you did. Voting for liars and thieves and having high expectations in your life.![]()
1. You gotta be shytting me-- we went into afghan because the taliban was open about harboring OBL. We even spoke directly with them and they refused to give him up. Can you read? There's no proof Osama was alive?? You have your tinfoil hat on man?? watch out for the illuminati btw
2. The bailouts were necessary
Torture and detention the same??get learned
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/
No to mention Obama is trying his darnedest to empty Guantanamo. When we catch terrorists now we bring them to stand trial in the states. Obama started bringing Guantanamo detainees to the states for trial as well
To be honest freeing those dudes isn't a good idea. If they didn't want to fukk us up before...they sure do when they leave guantanamo. Numerous instances of them returning right back to the battlefield after being freed
3. Spying on Americans is the same, but it's under review. I agree i'd like to see some serious action taken here. I think general alexander should recieve some sort of diciplinary action for lying to us and congress multiple times
This may apply to libya and tunisia, that's it. And who gives a fukk, Sisi is in charge in egypt and he's our boy. In Tunisia they are dealing with the islamists slowly but surely. there is no getting around islam playing a role in their government.
The people in benghazi aren't bad, It's derna. benghazi is just the closest major city of importance. Ansar also had a fairly strong social presence in beghazi, but now theres a badass general that's whooping on them telling them to lay down. The ansar of libya operated slightly differently than the ansar that exists in syria and that region. the people in benghazi had also always felt a bit pushed to the side as everything was run from the west of libya, gadaffi's hometown an the capital. libya's problem was for some time the cities needed to form their own armies to defend themselves, and those militias remained and wanted to be recognized and revered after the revolution.
dude, did you even read your articles???1. So the Afghan war was over a group harboring one man? You know there is no charges on OBL for doing 9/11. Cheney already said we have no evidence that OBL was behind 9/11". In reality going into Afghanistan was planned months in advance. Taliban was about to give up OBL days before the invasion but they needed proof that he did the crime but since U.S. had no proof he did, they ignored the Taliban.
Plans of Afghan War
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4587368/#.U7yAK7Hwolo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17347-2004Apr16.html
Taliban to give up OBL.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011014/aponline135016_000.htm
Your first L.
2. End of Torture... :lol:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nistration-military-torture-army-field-manual
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-froomkin/torture-report-obama-media_b_3099792.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/obama-black-sites-rendition-torture_n_1812578.html
Another L.
3. Surveillance is under review is laughable. Is that why all meta-data is being collected and stored everyday without hesitation? It's not going to stop homie.
4. The chart describes every Arab Spring event in 2011 but Tunisia and Libya are far apart in the matter of handling regimes. Syria and Libya were the only countries targeted where the majority population supported the regime. Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen population hated their leaders, this is why it was a easy win. This is where the U.S. used MSM and arming opposition to remove leaders like Gaddafi out.
5. According to West Point's Counter Terrorism Center( 2007-2008), Libya has 2 main places where Al-Q supporters and Islamic Fighters resided at....Darnah and Benghazi. Also they state...
http://tarpley.net/docs/CTCForeignFighter.19.Dec07.pdf
Like other governments in the region, Libya appears concerned about the possibility of jihadi violence within its borders. In May 2007, the Libyan government arrested several Libyans on the grounds that they were planning a car bomb attack similar to an April attack in Algeria. In July 2007, a group calling itself al ‐ Qa’ida in Eastern Libya announced a suicide attack in Darnah. Libya’s leader Muammar Qadhafi has taken measures to mitigate the threat from such groups, and has reportedly released over 80 Muslim Brotherhood activists in the hope that they will moderate the views of more violent Islamist activist.
This wasn't about control of their own militias, when the tribes were controlling the regions who kept the law of the land. Gaddafi was right when he was interviewed by CNN in 2011 and yet CNN wanted him out and never looked at the evidence.
President Obama is all talk, he's an advocate for these common sense solutions, but when he recieves some push back, he's quick to back down.
For years I held out hope he would grow a back bone, surely once he got that second term he would start really going hard, right? WRONG. The guy is a fukking joke just like all the other jokers, no difference between him and the tea party a$$holes. shyt, as stupid and wrong as those tea party chumps are at least they ride hard for their beliefs, and don't care about approval ratings..
Lol how? They still running sh1t.He made cacs mad![]()
More disappointed. :shrug:
Lol how? They still running sh1t.
**obama gives inspiring speech aimed at poverty and middle class agendas***
**boehner puts down his morning scotch, takes last drag of cig, wipes tears from eyes... Tells Obama none of that shyt is happening.****

you'll be ok :yasure:More disappointed. :shrug:
Lol how? They still running sh1t.
**obama gives inspiring speech aimed at poverty and middle class agendas***
**boehner puts down his morning scotch, takes last drag of cig, wipes tears from eyes... Tells Obama none of that shyt is happening.****
**obama does a jig, and tells a joke for the massas, never fights back. **
dude, did you even read your articles???
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"Taliban to give up OBL.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011014/aponline135016_000.htm""
both have one source, the same source, a taliban commander. after they got blown the fukk out and were feeling the heat. really dude?? pathetic. read on
"Without evidence, Afghanistan's Taliban rulers will not hand over Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan said Friday.
The rejection came in a statement by Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan. Asked whether the Taliban would hand over bin Laden, Zaeef said, "No." But his translator said, "No, not without evidence.""
then shyt gets super turnt up and the taliban are feeling the pain
"President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan."
the dude you're quoting was shytting himself after we showed up and started razing his mudhouses and bunker fukking his caves, and THEN said "oh i offer osama pleas stop". before they were all "no bytch ass usa, you can't prove it, we're not handing him over"
bush isn't the type to waste time playing games with the taliban
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2. End of Torture... :lol:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-froomkin/torture-report-obama-media_b_3099792.html
Did you even read this??? Seriously, did you?? It's not about the torture continuing, because, in fact, obama stopped it. I showed you the executive order. Theyre mad he's not doing more, making it illegal forever, ordering investigations etc. that's what your article says. read it before using it for an arguement
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3. I agree with you
4. "The chart describes every Arab Spring event in 2011 but Tunisia and Libya are far apart in the matter of handling regimes. Syria and Libya were the only countries targeted where the majority population supported the regime. Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen population hated their leaders, this is why it was a easy win. This is where the U.S. used MSM and arming opposition to remove leaders like Gaddafi out. "
Libya- the majority population did not support the regime - maybe you're thinking bani walid and the people living well in tripoli because of the regimes money. the west. bani walid being gaddafi's tribe's town was really living well. The rest of the country and tribes rose up pretty fukkin quickly.
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Yemen, lol. you should read about yemens "arab spring", what a joke. Here's some light reading for you. Sure, saleh lost his job and his tribe lost some power. that's about it. And his trible and him losing power was temporary/ so temporary it never really even happened. they're still out there bossing around. you just read a few articles and think you know shyt
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/29/yemen-revolution-saleh-arab-spring
"On 24 August, the injured prime minister, Ali Mujawar, returned from Saudi Arabia. The president proposes to follow him soon, to continue with the intended transfer of power to the next generation. While Saleh promised not to hand power to his eldest son, none of the next generation have promised not to stand for office. Few Yemenis expect the ruling family to return meekly into obscurity."
this quote is from 2011!!! his people barely lost power for a second in the grand scheme of things...saleh was smart and has lots of powerful people loyal to him.
here is a current-ish article. please learn a tiny bit
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/w...e-a-wielder-of-great-power-in-yemen.html?_r=0
"There is no doubt that Mr. Saleh still wields enormous power here. He remains the leader of Mr. Hadi’s own political party, to the president’s chagrin. Many in the military are still loyal to him. His residence in the capital is barricaded for blocks in every direction by concrete barriers and soldiers."
He is the head of the political party of the fukking president dude. He still calls the shots. read the article and hopefully comprehend it
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Syria- in fact, the majority population does not support the regime, you clearly don't know shyt.
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Arab sunni- they hate assad, and his father genocided a whole fukking city of them back in the day to keep them in their place. the thing is, the rest of the factions know that the sunnis won't be kind to them were the sunnis to take power, hence their support for assad or want to stay out of the conflict while not supporting the sunni rebels. Assad can hold on because he ahs a strong army, russia has his back because they don't want to lose their only warm water port & iran, shia, supports him a lot and even had their proxy hezbollah step in and wreck on rebels and terrorists.
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5 "According to West Point's Counter Terrorism Center( 2007-2008), Libya has 2 main places where Al-Q supporters and Islamic Fighters resided at....Darnah and Benghazi. Also they state...
http://tarpley.net/docs/CTCForeignFighter.19.Dec07.pdf
Like other governments in the region, Libya appears concerned about the possibility of jihadi violence within its borders. In May 2007, the Libyan government arrested several Libyans on the grounds that they were planning a car bomb attack similar to an April attack in Algeria. In July 2007, a group calling itself al ‐ Qa’ida in Eastern Libya announced a suicide attack in Darnah. Libya’s leader Muammar Qadhafi has taken measures to mitigate the threat from such groups, and has reportedly released over 80 Muslim Brotherhood activists in the hope that they will moderate the views of more violent Islamist activist."
This is pretty much along the lines of what I said. The extremist terorrists are HQ'ed in derna, but groups have moved into benghazi with a soft presence, like ansar, a terrorist group, operated a free hospital there and promoted their brand of islam. They were a major target in the recent purge of the city by the rogue general. Benghazi is a jumpoff point good place to have a presence, not a true terrorist city like dernah
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I know my shyt man, and you just got schooled. looks like you read a few blogs and think you know whatsup. I read books by experts and scholars, not taliban sourced huff post articles and shyt. I've been studying the dynamics in the middle east for years, both in university and on my own time
I'm going to hand you this big ass L
You really that clueless on what was explained to you? Was OBL accused of 9/11 with concrete proof? NO evidence has been brought forward of that. The Taliban needed proof, just like a lawyer or a judge needs proof of someone being guilty. Bush Admin didn't want to negotiate because it had nothing to do with OBL. The plan for Invading Afghanistan was planned months before 9/11, so it has nothing to do with OBL. Plus Cheney already said in interview on the Tony Snow show that there is no evidence of OBL doing 9/11. 1.You really that clueless on what was explained to you? Was OBL accused of 9/11 with concrete proof? NO evidence has been brought forward of that. The Taliban needed proof, just like a lawyer or a judge needs proof of someone being guilty. Bush Admin didn't want to negotiate because it had nothing to do with OBL. The plan for Invading Afghanistan was planned months before 9/11, so it has nothing to do with OBL. Plus Cheney already said in interview on the Tony Snow show that there is no evidence of OBL doing 9/11.
2. WTF are you talking about? Torture continued under Obama administration. The article proves it and you totally ignored it. Here are other evidence....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...593aa0-5102-11e2-984e-f1de82a7c98a_story.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/jeremy_scahill_little_known_military_thug
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/obama-black-sites-rendition-torture_n_1812578.html
4. The Arab Spring was manufactured to get regimes that are more friendly with Israel and Pro-U.S. I know about the Yemen Spring. This is why Syria and Libya were different because U.S. knew the majority stood with their leaders and they are a threat.
4A. The chart you have doesn't say anything about Assad being favored or not. There is proof that he is supported by the majority.
4B. The story of his father killing Sunni's just to kill them doesn't fit the Agenda. If you know anything about the Hama Massacre, was about the Muslim Brotherhood who was trying to create a situation like today back in 1982. In the end Bashar made a mistake in creating one of the biggest debacles in military and government history by thousands of civilians die. It had nothing to do with Sunni or Shiite.
4C. According to West Point Counter-terrorism Center many Al-Q fighters and supporters in Syria are in 4 main towns/cities. Dayr Al-Zawr, Dar'a, Idilb, Al-Day'r.
4D. Libyans favored Gaddafi and it was a large amount of them. Bani Walid, Sirte, Tripoli, al-Asaaba, Gawaleesh, Mashashiya, Tawargha all supported Gadaffi. If the majority didn't support him, he would have been overthrown in days. All tribes had weapons and there are 2,000 tribes. Where was the support for the opposition? It barely met 10,000 people.
July 1, 2011 over 1 million Libyans
You read books by scholars and have yet to use them. In reality you schooled yourself cause you failed to realize and you ignored the facts. I could careless where you studied, it didn't do you any good. Let a teacher, teach you young son.



. I will say that I don't think torture will ever stop. But we will keep it on the super dl, none of that having normal scrubs in the army lay it down so that they can chat about it in a bbc documentary later
your facts are shyt bruh.. Guess what sect of islam the muslim brotherhood is, you do realize in reality its a saudi/uae/sunni vs shia and everyone else the intolerant sunnis would end up genociding
your arab spring conspiracy theory is something a simple mind would come up with..im sure you think it's deep though
listing those towns that supported gaddafi...show me where they are on the map in libya then read my last post. Tawargha isnt in the west, but you and I both know why they got it. Gaddafi used black africans, and they were a town of black africans and pro gaddafi...you figure this one out. all of the town you listed were major receivers of his patronage.
It's cool you're a gaddafi groupie though. he did some cool stuff
you just posted this article, another article im pretty sure you didn't read, in your argument to prove "torture continued under obama"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...593aa0-5102-11e2-984e-f1de82a7c98a_story.html
he kept those dudes out of Guantanamo and gave em a trial instead of just killing them once they hit somalie. good guy obama. I will say that I don't think torture will ever stop. But we will keep it on the super dl, none of that having normal scrubs in the army lay it down so that they can chat about it in a bbc documentary later
i can't put any effort into arguing with you any more. can't take you seriously breh
you, teacher
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