2024 has disproven St. Kevin Samuels and the manosphere.

[Shadow King]

This is such a weird thread. KS didn’t count athletes and entertainers because they’re outliers. Exceptions to the rule. It’s kind of pointless to point women to the .00001% of men. And even more pointless to give advice to men based on the .00001%.

A dude has a way better change of making 120k/year than being an athlete or entertainer. And a woman has a much better chance of successfully landing the 120k/year brother.

This is fine to say, discounting something because of extreme rarity. Cats is making all kinds of ascertainments on character and assuming most celebrities lack it while the 120K/year business class men have it in spades.

 

[RamsayBolton]

hold on

who is deeming who's a HVM? men or women?

If we're talking about from the perspective of women, there's obviously a ton of them that like the athletes and entertainers and throw themselves at them. They're highly desirable.

But from the perspective of a man, I think a HVM to a man is someone that has a position in society they would like to achieve/emulate. Like political leaders, presidents, bank owners, CEOs, that kind of thing. They have a high value to society.

 

[Marc Spector]

i literally fukked a woman that zion williamson was flying out when he was at duke.
i didnt even take her out on a date, but zion was trickin



i know a girl in my city who was linked to drake and allegedly cheated on him. DRAKE

some of yall nikkas got the game fukked up

a lame nikka is a lame nikka. women will respect the money, doesnt mean they respect the man. so once they got you locked in its a wrap, they will exort you for child support, alimony etc. why?? cause it was all about the fukkin money. it's a big difference between men like steph curry and lebron versus fukkin lamelo ball and jalen green.

and you think just because you were fukking her for free....she massively respects you? Furthermore if thats een the case, why does her respect even matter to you?

Yall kill me with this cope. When you reach a certain tax bracket, money isnt an issue. ITs a tool to get from point A to Z in the shortest amount of time, with the least amount of headache. Zion has 100+ million in NBA money alone. Flying a bytch out and getting her a birkin is infinitely a better use of his time than facetiming and learning who shes fukking on the side.

The idea that Zion or Drake are supposed to woo women with game and rizz is laughable. The idea that they lose sleep over a woman whose fukking somebody else is hilarious. They will forget that womans name in the days after flying them out.


Maybe its the age of this board but some of yall stil put wayyyy too much stock in fukking a bytch for "free".

 

[Ohene]

and you think just because you were fukking her for free....she massively respects you? Furthermore if thats een the case, why does her respect even matter to you?

Yall kill me with this cope. When you reach a certain tax bracket, money isnt an issue. ITs a tool to get from point A to Z in the shortest amount of time, with the least amount of headache. Zion has 100+ million in NBA money alone. Flying a bytch out and getting her a birkin is infinitely a better use of his time than facetiming and learning who shes fukking on the side.

The idea that Zion or Drake are supposed to woo women with game and rizz is laughable. The idea that they lose sleep over a woman whose fukking somebody else is hilarious. They will forget that womans name in the days after flying them out.


Maybe its the age of this board but some of yall stil put wayyyy too much stock in fukking a bytch for "free".

You missed the point

 

[Marc Spector]

They really got it backwards. Men respect money and status. Women do....to a degree, but it's just presentation. If you have money and status but you're a lame a woman won't respect you. We, as men, respect men that work hard. Women respect the strongest man and he could be rich or poor. So when using the definition for HVM we are using a man's definition because we live in a man's world.

you dont get it

a lame with money is still a lame

many, perhaps even most athletes are high value men...but not all of them

if they were, you wouldnt have dudes like Zion Williamson getting trapped by hood rats and tricking off on washed up pornstars

How are yall defining a lame??? A man who gets trapped by a woman of lower class?

If thats the case...


MAN I GOT SOME BAD NEWS TO SHARE ABOUT A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF RICH MEN

 

[Space Cowboy]

How are yall defining a lame??? A man who gets trapped by a woman of lower class?

If thats the case...


MAN I GOT SOME BAD NEWS TO SHARE ABOUT A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF RICH MEN

A man that gets bodied and flossed out by hoes especially if he uses money to do so.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

How can he say they aren’t HVM.He was renting a room from a woman getting on him about his janky BMV leaking oil on her shyt

All that needs to be said. His fanboys can’t see the forrest for the trees

 

[Marc Spector]

A man that gets bodied and flossed out by hoes especially if he uses money to do so.

Thats a silly parameter tbh. Alot of rich and powerful men in the world married while they were rich and/or wealthy. It would be impossible for them to meet a partner who beyond a shadow of a doubt wasnt swayed by their money during courtship or during dissolution of marriage.

 

[Bumblebreh]

hold on

who is deeming who's a HVM? men or women?

If we're talking about from the perspective of women, there's obviously a ton of them that like the athletes and entertainers and throw themselves at them. They're highly desirable.

But from the perspective of a man, I think a HVM to a man is someone that has a position in society they would like to achieve/emulate. Like political leaders, presidents, bank owners, CEOs, that kind of thing. They have a high value to society.

Yes, but they do not call themselves high value, in fact the examples that you have listed are men of high status. And those men are motivated to fulfil the objectives of another entity or to just work towards their own self interest. A good CEOs job is to increase the productivity of a company and to increase profit, shares prices and to serve the companies best interest. But being a CEO can be a temporary position, and it is not like being a father or a husband. When you date a woman, ask yourself, does she value your time and does she value you as a person? Do you value her? Does she make you feel good?

You can be physically desirable to most women but lack the other qualities that most women desire. And that is the flaw with K.S hvm phrase because it really is just a catchphrase with little to no substance behind it.

 

[I'm Blackman]

some of you nikkas are extremely dumb.


THe HVM is a sales pitch, it doesnt actually exist. There are rarely any 6 to 7 figure single men who are cream of the crop educated, fit, stylish and educated to a T, putting entire communities on, etc.

What KS describes as HVM, is fukkin Don Draper from Mad Men. And if you watched Mad Men, you know exactly where im going with this.

If you exclude athletes/entertainers, most men who meet half of this criteria are nerdy old money cacs and jews in finance, real estate, govt contracts, sales, and energy. And 90% of those guys are married and have been for decades and are age 40+......

If you want to talk about high earning black men? Mostly the same criteria. Even in cities like Atlanta or Chicago or DC, only a very small percentage of Black men are really big steppers like that and single, educated, stylish, etc....


And even WHEN you finally find someone who does fit that Don Draper look...youd be surprised at how fukked up these men actually are . How much shyt tthey do thats "not player" ( thats kinda what the entire theme of Mad Men is).

Cats like KS come through and try to sell their "exclusive knowledge and insight" as a product. Theres some elements of truth in what he says, but overall...Its a Grift.

excellent post

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

i literally fukked a woman that zion williamson was flying out when he was at duke.
i didnt even take her out on a date, but zion was trickin



i know a girl in my city who was linked to drake and allegedly cheated on him. DRAKE

some of yall nikkas got the game fukked up

a lame nikka is a lame nikka. women will respect the money, doesnt mean they respect the man. so once they got you locked in its a wrap, they will exort you for child support, alimony etc. why?? cause it was all about the fukkin money. it's a big difference between men like steph curry and lebron versus fukkin lamelo ball and jalen green.

You a bold man to put that out there lol.

During the pandemic I was messing with this FINE ass brawd who's baby daddy
Was an all pro linebacker that we all know. For a good month she wouldn't tell me his name but secretly I googled her to find out myself. My search results ended up returning court case custody battles and a bunch of gossip threads on lipstick alley lol

In the end it's kinda crazy how we're sharing these hoes

 

[Who Not How]

hold on

who is deeming who's a HVM? men or women?

If we're talking about from the perspective of women, there's obviously a ton of them that like the athletes and entertainers and throw themselves at them. They're highly desirable.

But from the perspective of a man, I think a HVM to a man is someone that has a position in society they would like to achieve/emulate. Like political leaders, presidents, bank owners, CEOs, that kind of thing. They have a high value to society.

HVM isn't a real thing.

It's a label for men who don't have an identity outside of what society thinks about them.

And that's a flimsy foundation because what society thinks can change at any moment.

The only people who can define manhood are MEN.

Women cannot give a man his identity.

Before a woman even comes into the picture, you should have knowledge of self because you won't be prepared to lead her accordingly.

I liked Kevin Samuel's content but it seems like way too many males didn't have knowledge of self until he blew up.

Now they running with whatever he said like it's the gospel.

 

[Trav]

My God....it's like breh never left the way this thread is going.

 

[MostReal]

Look up to celebrities brehs

 

[Taadow]

I would imagine you know like I know social media amplifies what people pay attention to, people want to see car crashes.. So the stories of brothers doing well will not be highlighted as much as crashing out, going broke, or pump and dumping IG models.. There isnt much lane for brehs who made their wealth and just chilling. I can honestly say I dont know much in NBA arena other than business interactions in clubs back in day but born and raised in a football hotbed, I grew up with, played ball with, partied with, train with still til this day when I can and have family entering draft this year. I have seen many generations, these young brehs have a ton on counsel and way better prepared. Dudes are making major move$ in community, I see it everyday. Every player not crashing out thats just what social media amplifies.

Regardless if the ball game is like others these dudes are getting a kings ransom with insane exposure that allows them to be in many rooms to make all types of moves some brehs are making more money doing work now than before. I will highlight a breh from around the way just because it was put in publication but probably didnt make the rounds in "our" "media outlets".

Elvis Dumervil from lil haiti but played at Jackson, undersized player for his position so passed up by many colleges, made a way and GRIND. BALLED OUT in college, talking first team all american, Top dlineman award in nation, led nation in sacks, still wasnt drafted high because of size, STILL MADE A way in league and BALLED out. Being drafted in 4th round didnt get a top contract, had to put in work, for 2nd contract but in meantime him and his brother started doing things in miami with real estate, Im talking like in '07. Started small and moved to apartment buildings. This man got units all thru North Miami and 6 ave. You can ride around town and tell his work, gotta have close to 20 buildings with 100s of units going on thousands. Lets run it thru the KS High value list lol..

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2024/03/12/elvis-dumervil-international-finance-bank-miami.html

Earn minimum of 10k a month? LMAO

Consistent income for 3-5 years?
Group acceptance/recognized by other high value men?
Strong Network?
Visibilty/linkedin level? LOL
Utility/ be of value to others? Buying undervalued real estate and giving many quality places to live, while employing many and giving them opportunity to earn income

This is just ONE breh, many probably forgot about years ago. HE GOOD! I would imagine he fit any high value criteria for the corporate guys who want love, he in photo with the execs of a bank so I would imagine that fits that criteria also. I got a close friend and biz partner, his son was drafted first round, he already was 2nd team all pro by second year. He got first round money and that 2nd contract gonna be something CRAZY. But him and his pops been building houses from ground up and probably move to apt buildings soon. Most probably dont know him and in all honesty in our community thats probably a good thing as if he was on shaderoom or whatever it would probably only for negative things. MANY YOUNG, EXTREMELY gifted, ELITE athletes doing big things man. I just dont know what criteria you have to create to say these brehs not high value. Cuz they dont punch a clock at a corporate office and they linkedin not up to date... What are we doing?

I was gonna type out a detailed answer to this until I got to the bold; the bold addresses the real crux that it seems people miss on this issue.

The overall main point of the "High Value Man" list is that "High Value Men" are extremely rare.

Now just because one may not meet all the criteria does not mean you (A) aren't valuable enough, or (B) can't get what you want out here in The Game.

But please mind:
The criteria for a HVM was based on what women say they want in a man.
Every interaction I recall seeing where KS talked to a woman who wanted a HVM, he asked them
"why do you need a HVM? What's wrong with an Average Man?"
KS wasn't chitting on the Average Man for not being allegedly "High Value"; he regularly pointed out that The Average Man is needed -
it's The Average Woman who tends to feel she would rather hold out for "better".

So I've got no issues at all with you thinking Elvis Dumervil or your other boys are High Value Men, and it sounds like what they are doing
with their resources is wise - I have some patnas who do the same. But in the context of this convo, I also know women who would pass them
over because they come home smelling like Manual Labor and they may be too tired to turn right around and go out for Drinks & Dancing on a
Tuesday night after getting out of the shower.

Point blank: You (or any other man) don't have to prove to Kevin Samuels, me, or any other man whether you are "High Value" or not.
That has always been up to The Ladies. The only difference is that now they are literally talmbat how you gotta make six figures to be with them
and all that crazy chit.

KS chit only sounds crazy because it's a reflection of what The Market (re: The Ladies) are asking for in their circle. But even if you were in
or around such a circle, there would be some chit in there you wouldn't respect even though it's adjacent to you. It sounds elitist and that "feels like" it's bad. I guess the best way to describe it is like this: It's like damn near every Rodney Dangerfield movie. Just because Rodney Dangerfield has enough money and connects to join the Country Club doesn't mean the Yuppie Turned-Up Collar Stuffed Shirts consider him a peer or approve of his hi-jinks. But even besides all that, he's still a member of the Country Club and he still gets to fukk on the past-her-prime-yet-age-appropriate leading lady (probably Sally Kellerman lol). Rappas and Athletes tend to be that.

Boy that was a lot of chit. Sorry. Thanks if you read this