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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1.)Whats is your definition of logic? I notice you guys use it a lot in your arguments against religon. A lot of times it's misuse or completely out of context.

Logic is a formalized and agreed upon set of axioms that help to establish claims within a "reasonable" degree of certainty and distinction

2.)What are your thoughts about religious Scholars,Business Owners, Doctors,Scientists and Community Leaders? Since, all religious people are illogical for believing in a "mythical" being. Who you guys tend to say is synonymous with Santa, Big Foot, and the tooth fairy.

Its cognitive dissonance

A lot of people can be good at their jobs and hold religious views because they don't work in fields that cause them to challenge their beliefs on a regular basis.

A lot of people I know who are researchers are NOT religious because they rely on empiricism and effectively can't take unsubstantiated conclusions as fact

3.)Why do you guys, like picking out religious tragedies and using that as a representation of that religion?

Because people who act in the vein of religion are honest believers and just as legitimate in their beliefs as peaceful people. Ignoring that part of religion is just dishonest.

4.) Why do you guys avoid the good stories in religion? Seem a bit bias and some would argue that's its illogical because it will lead you to a false conclusion of the actual values and standards of the religion.

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on altruism and positivity.

5.)Is it possible for there to be misuses of a certian religion for wicked purposes?And is it possible that, those misuses dont reflect the whole religion or it's intentions? For example, take wood shop tools. Wood shop tools can be use to build your son a tree or kill a man but the tools aren't meant to be used to kill.

You don't get to ignore the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff when it all comes form the same source.

If thats what you want to do, just admit that you know better than your religion since you claim to think you can 'distinguish what is "good" from what is beneficial or advantageous

6.)Since algebra, astrology, Marine/Bio science and architecture were all discovered by religious people does that negate, a lot of you guys statement about how religious people are illogical and not capable of critical thinking?

Those things were discovered by curious people who challenged norms and pushed back against religion. All of these researchers could no longer attribute "god" to anything they discovered. Everyone from Mendel and Darwin to Einstein and Newton views changed once they learned more about how their discoveries removed the need for a "deity" as a function of their formulas.

Remember what Laplace said:

Even further, the church used to be the main source of money and control of all research that would be carried out in society....and its well documented how they responded to ideas they didn't like

7.)Is it possible for you as atheist, to work with religious folk to uplift your community?For example your atheist and I'm a Hindu. We live next door to each other. Would it be possible for us to open a community center alongside with others in the community (who some may or may not be atheist), we're kids can come play, get counseling, eat, work etc.

Absolutely. I think less effort could be dedicated towards superstition and more towards actual tangible help.

8.)Why do you guys mostly always attack Christians. This question is semi rhetorical because I know why you guys won't talk about Jews and Muslims especially not in public.But why not Buddhist or Baha for example.

Christians are the most powerful religious entities in the Western world

* I just ask you answers all the questions objectively and honestly.

*You can skip question # 8 because I already know the answer.

*I got love for all my people. So this isn't a diss thread just want a open discussion.

just answering your questions...

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

I cain't call it, breh. Dat mysterio shyt dun locked da game up.

 

[Quiet Magician]

I just took typical atheist arguments and either inverse them or simply question them. Kind of funny you guys complain about religious folk avoiding questions and not being objective buuuuutt ........ you kind of just did that.

I don't know where you are getting these "typical arguments" from but either link the quotes or threads or don't bring it up at all. Seems like you are cherry picking certain posters with these questions and then reframing it in your favour.

Your post also signifies you don't want a debate because you are already claiming the other side won't show. This shows your bias. No point in going back and forth with a person who just wants to stir shyt up and cause the thread to spiral out of control.

 

[Arnold]

I just never understood atheists' obsession with religion.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

I just never understood atheists' obsession with religion.

Dat doesn't eam make any sense.

Religion is woven into err aspect of our society. In err thing we do. From politics,to relationships, to gubment, to families, to sports, to television, to film, etc.

Hard to be obsessed ova something dat is thrown into your face at err turn. And don't let it be known you don't fukk wit none of dat shyt outside your lil circle of peoples...folks have lost relationships wit family members, potential mates (who would othawise be together if it wasn't for "belief" conflicts), friends,etc.because of it.

Try runnin for any kind of political office/position n make it known you dont subscribe to religion. See how far dat shyt goes.

Its not athiests/agnostics who are da ones obsessed, cuh.

 

[Mandarin Duck]

I'm more agnostic, but

1.)Whats is your definition of logic? I notice you guys use it a lot in your arguments against religon. A lot of times it's misuse or completely out of context.

The use of valid reasoning.

2.)What are your thoughts about religious Scholars,Business Owners, Doctors,Scientists and Community Leaders? Since, all religious people are illogical for believing in a "mythical" being. Who you guys tend to say is synonymous with Santa, Big Foot, and the tooth fairy.

Just because a person believes that one who believes in God is illogical, doesn't necessarily mean they believe every aspect of that person's life is illogical. And most Scientist don't believe in God.

3.)Why do you guys, like picking out religious tragedies and using that as a representation of that religion?

This has more to do with the disbelief in religion, and not so much God. Religion can be interpreted by many people in many different ways and alot of times that interpretation is used to justify whatever a person wants to. I mean under Christianity, slavery is justifiable.

4.) Why do you guys avoid the good stories in religion? Seem a bit bias and some would argue that's its illogical because it will lead you to a false conclusion of the actual values and standards of the religion.

What are these good stories supposed to prove? That God is real? What do the bad stories prove then?

5.)Is it possible for there to be misuses of a certian religion for wicked purposes?And is it possible that, those misuses dont reflect the whole religion or it's intentions? For example, take wood shop tools. Wood shop tools can be use to build your son a tree or kill a man but the tools aren't meant to be used to kill.

This is the same as question 3. If Religion is wood shop I can interpret the instructions however I feel like to build and/or destroy whatever I want, based on the way I interpret those skills.

6.)Since algebra, astrology, Marine/Bio science and architecture were all discovered by religious people does that negate, a lot of you guys statement about how religious people are illogical and not capable of critical thinking?

Again, you kind of are repeating yourself. This is the same as question 1. A person can be illogical in one idea and very logical in another.

7.)Is it possible for you as atheist, to work with religious folk to uplift your community?For example your atheist and I'm a Hindu. We live next door to each other. Would it be possible for us to open a community center alongside with others in the community (who some may or may not be atheist), we're kids can come play, get counseling, eat, work etc.

This is a question better left for one religious person to another. It seems like Religious people tend to clash with one another about their ideologies which pretty much are the same(be kind, don't kill each, don't steal). And they clash with anyone who doesn't believe in their version of God.

If the end result was good for a community an atheist would definitely be more inclined to worth with a religious person than vice-versa. Religious people usually see atheist as less than human and animals. The stigma in society exist way more in not believing in God than it does in Believing in him.

8.)Why do you guys mostly always attack Christians. This question is semi rhetorical because I know why you guys won't talk about Jews and Muslims especially not in public.But why not Buddhist or Baha for example.

Because Christianity is the most popular religion in the US. And most of the people on here are black so that's the religion they were raised in. If Buddhism was, then they would bash Buddhist. Not to mention any religious person who tried to convince an atheist of God they would poke holes in their theory of God. Atheist aren't saying "We don't believe in a Christian God" They are saying "We don't believe in God period".

 

[ALLiKNOWizPAIN]

i'm gonna tell ya'll like my uncle told me.....
if you believe in God/judgement,you die and it doesnt
exist you dont lose anything.....
but if you dont believe,die and it does exist......youre fukked.
why chance it.

It's as easy as that

 

[ba'al]

can you name some?

Well the NOI has a long history of feeding,clothing, a putting people to work. Mlk and the Sclc parctipated heavily in the civil rights movement. The ancient moors had spread math,literature, technology, and culture throughout europe. Also Henry Highland Garnett was one of the biggest abolitionist ever in American history. Also the Deacons of Defense went blow for blow shot for Shot with the kkk to protect their communities back in the day.

 

[ba'al]

Logic is a formalized and agreed upon set of axioms that help to establish claims within a "reasonable" degree of certainty and distinction

Its cognitive dissonance

A lot of people can be good at their jobs and hold religious views because they don't work in fields that cause them to challenge their beliefs on a regular basis.

A lot of people I know who are researchers are NOT religious because they rely on empiricism and effectively can't take unsubstantiated conclusions as fact

Because people who act in the vein of religion are honest believers and just as legitimate in their beliefs as peaceful people. Ignoring that part of religion is just dishonest.

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on altruism and positivity.

You don't get to ignore the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff when it all comes form the same source.

If thats what you want to do, just admit that you know better than your religion since you claim to think you can 'distinguish what is "good" from what is beneficial or advantageous

Those things were discovered by curious people who challenged norms and pushed back against religion. All of these researchers could no longer attribute "god" to anything they discovered. Everyone from Mendel and Darwin to Einstein and Newton views changed once they learned more about how their discoveries removed the need for a "deity" as a function of their formulas.

Remember what Laplace said:

Even further, the church used to be the main source of money and control of all research that would be carried out in society....and its well documented how they responded to ideas they didn't like

Absolutely. I think less effort could be dedicated towards superstition and more towards actual tangible help.


Christians are the most powerful religious entities in the Western world


just answering your questions...

Yo all your answers are understandable and I respect them. Napoleon you one of my favorite posters here.

I don't know where you are getting these "typical arguments" from but either link the quotes or threads or don't bring it up at all. Seems like you are cherry picking certain posters with these questions and then reframing it in your favour.

Your post also signifies you don't want a debate because you are already claiming the other side won't show. This shows your bias. No point in going back and forth with a person who just wants to stir shyt up and cause the thread to spiral out of control.

I wasn't trying to cause chaos I honestly wanted a open discussion. Like I said in the op I got love for all my people so I'm not trying to be divisive. If I said something wrong or misintepred the arguments correct me on them please.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

It's as easy as that

It's as easy as THIS

If god does exists and is who da bible and its followers say he is then I think he'd prolly know if you were only down wit da set strictly for insurance purposes tho, cuh.

 

[jmspro]

I don't believe in anything. I don't care what is real or not. God could be real but so what. IF he is real; The muthafukka has done a horrible job in giving a fvck about this planet. There are numerous examples but I will start with child slavery, abuse, and molestation since the beginning of time. He/She/It could have ATLEAST stopped children from suffering from these horrible crimes. But he don't do shyt.

 

[semtex]

If I get judged I hope God skips the part in the dvd of my life where I jacked off so much. Especially to that one midget broad. Dude would give me the :aiscrust:

 

[Still Benefited]

I haven't read the whole bible but from what I have read its some deep powerful quotes in there...One day I was having a family issue and I randomly opened the bible that was randomly close to me for no reason to a random page and it gave me some game for my exact situation....I don't get chills,but I felt some for a second

Ive always believed,I just haven't made the transition from the streets to the church

I think religion definitely could and should be used for good...crooked people use the church all the time for they own gain...why not have some good logical people in there doing good works? Especially people who wanna see other black people do good,the church is right there and ripe to be used to do good....the organizing and group economics you all talk about is right there in the black churches waiting to be used....Not sure why especially black people would want to waste energy tearing that down instead of using it to they advantage....If you managed to stop religion you could never create a unifying force like God that brings mostly good intentioned black folks,willing to follow a lead together....whether you hate that fact or not its truth.

I believe in god just because simple mathematics tell me its what is most likely the case...Plus when you look at the idea our whole purpose in life is to basically create,our natural instinct is to constantly create either mentally or physically,it just kindve leads me to believe we were created by a creator who couldn't build us as anything other than creators.

If this shyt was all one big "accident" I don't see us having these natural instincts that we have and have always had since the beginning of time....Is it god as the bible tells it,or what we have been taught god to be?That I'm not completely sure,it could be aliens far as I know or something else...but I believe it was something.

how do some atheist manage to believe in aliens might exist but no way god can anyway btw?

 

[Originalgangsta317]

Only problem I have with the whole religion thing is if God does exist,and if there is a Heaven or Hell,if you choose the wrong religion you go to Hell,there's only ONE god supposedly,so you can be the best Christian ever,but if Muslims have the "Real" God,your going to Hell despite living the right way,now what type of sense does that make?

 

[kingofnyc]

2.)What are your thoughts about religious Scholars,Business Owners, Doctors,Scientists and Community Leaders?

religious scientists ..... breh - that's an oxymoron