538: Hispanic turnout up, Black turnout down compared to Obama elections

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Clinton’s Coalition: Hispanic Support Appears To Be Up, Black Turnout Down
By David Wasserman
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Hillary Clinton speaking at New Mount Olive Baptist Church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Sunday.
ANDREW HARNIK / AP

The FBI may have injected last-minute uncertainty into the presidential race, but with eight days to go, the contours of Hillary Clinton’s coalition are coming into sharper focus. It’s not yet clear whether it will match the breadth of President Obama’s coalition, which was sufficient for a majority in both 2008 and 2012. But even if it doesn’t, it could be sufficient for a plurality.

Clinton’s voters overwhelmingly overlap with Obama’s, but there are important distinctions. Her support among Latinos appears stronger and more intense. On the other hand, African-American enthusiasm has dipped compared with that in 2012 — a surprising and disquieting development for Democrats who believed Trump’s racial appeals and flirtations with the birther movement would generate more urgency.

As polls have shown all year, the education and gender gaps in this race are likely to be wider than any we have seen in modern history. Clinton’s coalition is more dependent on college-educated white voters and less dependent on whites without degrees than Obama’s was in 2008 and 2012. It’s also more dependent on women than men.

But Clinton is also more dependent on high enthusiasm and support among Latino and Asian voters, who appear very motivated to oppose Donald Trump. And she’s less dependent on African-Americans and millennials, who could well support Clinton by the same margins they supported Obama but may not turn out at the same rates as they did in 2008 or 2012. That’s a big concern for Clinton’s team in the home stretch.

The early voting data is beginning to bear these observations out. According to the U.S. Elections Project, a website run by University of Florida professor Michael McDonald, more than 22.5 million Americans have already cast ballots. And although early voting data is of limited value when it comes to predicting a winner, clear patterns are emerging: Enthusiasm is up from 2012 among Latinos and liberal whites, and down among African-Americans. (Of course, it’s possible those patterns will change.)

Because many states have altered their early voting periods or procedures since 2012, direct comparisons aren’t always possible. However, we can look at three states where absentee/early voting rules weren’t drastically changed since 2012: Florida, Texas and Virginia.

In Florida, the good news for Clinton is that the two most Latino counties in the state, Miami-Dade and Osceola, are above the state average in their progress toward exceeding 2012 early/vote-by-mail turnout. But the bad news for her is that turnout has lagged behind the state average in all five counties with the highest percentage of African-American voters — a sign the absence of Obama from the ballot is having a negative impact:

IN MOST LATINO COUNTIES IN MOST AFRICAN-AMERICAN COUNTIES
1 Miami-Dade 87.4% Gadsden 61.4%
2 Osceola 84.1 Jefferson 65.0
3 Hendry 76.0 Leon 64.4
4 Orange 79.2 Duval 58.7
5 Broward 78.3 Broward 78.3
Statewide average: 79.4%
Florida votes cast, as of Monday morning, as a share of all early and vote-by-mail votes in 2012
SOURCE: FLORIDA DIVISION OF ELECTIONS

The even worse Florida news for Clinton is that all eight of the counties with the most early/vote-by-mail votes cast so far relative to 2012 totals are heavily Republican. Lee County, a GOP bastion on the southwest Gulf Coast, is already at 125 percent of its 2012 total, and Sumter County, the ruby red home of The Villages, is at 104 percent, signaling increased GOP enthusiasm.

In Texas, which reports only early vote data for the 15 largest counties, the trend lines seem more favorable for Clinton. The counties with the highest Latino shares, Hidalgo, Cameron and El Paso — all located along the Mexico border — are experiencing big surges in participation. After its first week of early voting, El Paso is already at 83 percent of its total 2012 votes cast and 177 percent of where it was at this point in 2012’s early balloting.

There has also been a huge spike in interest in the Austin area: Travis and Williamson counties are at 81 percent and 84 percent of their 2012 totals, respectively. That suggests strong interest levels among white liberals, who are most numerous there. But Texas counties with the highest share of African-American voters tend to lag behind the average:

IN MOST LATINO COUNTIES IN MOST AFRICAN-AMERICAN COUNTIES
1 Hidalgo 82.1% Dallas 71.1
2 Cameron 83.7 Harris 68.8
3 El Paso 91.3 Fort Bend 74.1
4 Nueces 66.8 Tarrant 67.4
5 Bexar 68.9 Galveston 74.7
Statewide average: 73.8%
Texas votes cast, as of Monday morning, as a share of all early votes in 2012
SOURCE: TEXAS SECRETARY OF STATE

In Virginia, the demographic disparities are even greater. Manassas Park, a small jurisdiction with the highest concentration of Latino voters in the state, has also recorded the highest absentee voting surge in the commonwealth: Manassas Park is already at 106 percent of its 2012 absentee total. Prince William County, the much larger surrounding jurisdiction with the third-highest Latino share, is already at 89 percent, well above the state average.

There’s also good news for Clinton in Arlington and Fairfax counties, the state’s largest bastions of liberal whites. They’re at 78 percent and 79 percent of their 2012 totals, respectively, compared to 70 percent statewide. The bad news for Clinton? Petersburg, the state’s most heavily African-American city, is only at 47 percent, and Portsmouth, the second-most African-American city, is at 40 percent — the lowest of all jurisdictions in Virginia.

MOST LATINO LOCALITIES MOST AFRICAN-AMERICAN LOCALITIES
1 Manassas Park 106.4% Petersburg 46.7%
2 Fairfax City 83.5 Portsmouth 40.3
3 Prince William 89.3 Richmond City 57.2
4 Manassas 84.4 Brunswick 55.1
5 Arlington 78.0 Franklin City 43.8
Statewide average: 70.0%
Virginia votes cast, as of Monday morning, as a share of all absentee votes in 2012
SOURCE: VIRGINIA STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS

Is there time for these numbers and this narrative to change? Of course, but there’s only a week left. And although higher Latino enthusiasm is a positive sign for Clinton, African-American engagement is a cause for concern. After all, African-Americans make up a much higher share than Latinos in the critical battlegrounds of North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — and any Trump victory scenario would likely depend on lower black turnout.

Increasingly, this give-and-take looks likely to produce a “Clinton coalition” broader than the one that propelled her husband into office in 1992 (43 percent) but narrower than the one that propelled Obama into office in 2008 (53 percent). Win or lose, it’s a new alignment.

David Wasserman is the U.S. House editor for the Cook Political Report.

Clinton’s Coalition: Hispanic Support Appears To Be Up, Black Turnout Down
 

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Doesn't really matter that much. Low Black turnout may cause her to lose Florida and Ohio but she will still likely win the election.

If Trump had alienated Hispanics alot less then he would have a better chance of winning. We see him for weeks/months talking about Democrats failing "the African Americans" as he calls us which is 100 percent true, but he should have done the reverse and said how they failed Hispanics. Because we were gonna have low turnout anyway. He should have brought up President Obama deporting so many of them, and linked Hillary to him and said she supported that. I know he brought it up in the 3rd debate but its too late.
 

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Doesn't really matter that much. Low Black turnout may cause her to lose Florida and Ohio but she will still likely win the election.

If Trump had alienated Hispanics alot less then he would have a better chance of winning. We see him for weeks/months talking about Democrats failing "the African Americans" as he calls us which is 100 percent true, but he should have done the reverse and said how they failed Hispanics. Because we were gonna have low turnout anyway. He should have brought up President Obama deporting so many of them, and linked Hillary to him and said she supported that. I know he brought it up in the 3rd debate but its too late.
Nah, Trump offending white women is why he will lose. HRC is winning college-educated white women by a larger gap than Obama. That is Trump's undoing.
 

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Doesn't really matter that much. Low Black turnout may cause her to lose Florida and Ohio but she will still likely win the election.

If Trump had alienated Hispanics alot less then he would have a better chance of winning. We see him for weeks/months talking about Democrats failing "the African Americans" as he calls us which is 100 percent true, but he should have done the reverse and said how they failed Hispanics. Because we were gonna have low turnout anyway. He should have brought up President Obama deporting so many of them, and linked Hillary to him and said she supported that. I know he brought it up in the 3rd debate but its too late.

Black turnout is pretty damn important to Clinton in other states too: Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia...even Michigan.

IF polls are over estimating black turnout in those states (and I'm not stating they are, it's only an "if") than there could be some surprises on election day.
 

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Doesn't really matter that much. Low Black turnout may cause her to lose Florida and Ohio but she will still likely win the election.

If Trump had alienated Hispanics alot less then he would have a better chance of winning. We see him for weeks/months talking about Democrats failing "the African Americans" as he calls us which is 100 percent true, but he should have done the reverse and said how they failed Hispanics. Because we were gonna have low turnout anyway. He should have brought up President Obama deporting so many of them, and linked Hillary to him and said she supported that. I know he brought it up in the 3rd debate but its too late.
At this point, no Hispanic is trying to hear what Donald trump is trying to say. That bridge is already burned.
 

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Black turnout is pretty damn important to Clinton in other states too: Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Virginia...even Michigan.

IF polls are over estimating black turnout in those states (and I'm not stating they are, it's only an "if") than there could be some surprises on election day.

I already think they are overestimating PA and NC. Especially NC with the police killing last month and the coverup they randomly stopped talking about.
 

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I already think they are overestimating PA and NC. Especially NC with the police killing last month and the coverup they randomly stopped talking about.

Yeah but even with lower black turnout he's not winning PA.

This fixation on PA being a battleground state for POTUS is always overblown.
 

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Yeah but even with lower black turnout he's not winning PA.

This fixation on PA being a battleground state for POTUS is always overblown.

Romney only lost it by 6 and that was fukking Romney....

Trump's message has better appeal in PA and if black turnout is low...
 

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Romney only lost it by 6 and that was fukking Romney....

Trump's message has better appeal in PA and if black turnout is low...

All my coli cash PA is blue even with turnout issues

He's appealing to the middle part of PA sure but there ain't that many people there.

The metro areas are gonna go to HRC
 

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Yeah but even with lower black turnout he's not winning PA.

This fixation on PA being a battleground state for POTUS is always overblown.

Trust me breh i know already. PA is never competitive. It would have been this year if he didnt offend white women lol.

His best chance is holding all the states Romney won(including NC which is looking unlikely) and then winning Nevada, Ohio, Iowa, Florida and New Hampshire.
 

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Nah, Trump offending white women is why he will lose. HRC is winning college-educated white women by a larger gap than Obama. That is Trump's undoing.
Yep. People spend so much time focusing on the white people Trump has on his side that they don't focus on the whites that detest him and the whites he has just plain pissed off. I have never seen a man so uncaringly let his mouth get him into such a bad spot.

If enough people tell you you're drunk.......you know the saying. Trump should have treaded extremely carefully around female issues because like it or not, Hillary has the fact that she is a female on her side and it does carry an appeal for many many women. People get shyt twisted bad and get caught up in their world of idealism. Politics isn't a place for idealism if you want to survive.
 

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Doesn't really matter that much. Low Black turnout may cause her to lose Florida and Ohio but she will still likely win the election.

If Trump had alienated Hispanics alot less then he would have a better chance of winning. We see him for weeks/months talking about Democrats failing "the African Americans" as he calls us which is 100 percent true, but he should have done the reverse and said how they failed Hispanics. Because we were gonna have low turnout anyway. He should have brought up President Obama deporting so many of them, and linked Hillary to him and said she supported that. I know he brought it up in the 3rd debate but its too late.


:what:

breh - that makes zero sense
u do realize he's the candidate running on deporting all 11 million illegals & building the wall to keep them out
 
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