538: Stop saying Trump's win had nothing to do with economics

Scoop

All Star
Joined
Jun 17, 2012
Messages
6,139
Reputation
-2,680
Daps
9,777
Stop Saying Trump’s Win Had Nothing To Do With Economics


By Ben Casselman
Filed under In Real Terms

irt-4x3-color.jpg

This is In Real Terms, a regular column analyzing the latest economic news. Comments? Criticisms? Ideas for future columns? Email me, or drop a note in the comments.

In the months leading up to Election Day, a heated debate broke out among political commentators over the source of Donald Trump’s support. Was it driven primarily by economic anxiety, as the early conventional wisdom often argued, or more by racism and other cultural factors?

The debate has continued in the weeks since Trump’s win, and lately the anxiety skeptics seem to be gaining the upper hand. Numerous writers, including some on this website, have noted that obvious measures of economic struggle such as poverty and unemployment were poor predictors of Trump support; indeed, exit polls show that Hillary Clinton won handily among poorer Americans. And whereas in 2012 Mitt Romney won among voters who considered the economy their top issue, Trump lost such voters. Measures of racism and sexism, and markers of social status such as a college degree, did a much better job predicting whom voters would support.

Correctly assessing the forces that led to Trump’s victory is more than an academic exercise. It’s central to figuring out what happens next — what Trump’s supporters expect him to do, what Democratic counter-measures would be effective, what metrics we should use to gauge his success. But the recent debate has missed an important distinction: Economic anxiety is not the same thing as economic hardship. And the evidence suggests that anxiety did play a key role in Trump’s victory, though it was by no means the only factor.

What’s the difference between hardship and anxiety? Hardship, as I’m using it here, refers to a person’s present-day economic struggles: poverty, joblessness, falling wages, foreclosure, bankruptcy. Anxiety is all about what lies ahead — concerns about saving for retirement or college, worry of a potential layoff, fears that your children’s prospects aren’t as bright as your own were.

Economic hardship doesn’t explain Trump’s support. In fact, quite the opposite: Clinton easily won most low-income areas. But anxiety is a different story. Trump, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Jed Kolko noted immediately after the election, won most counties — and improved on Romney’s performance — where a large share of jobs are vulnerable to outsourcing or automation. And while there is no standard measure of economic anxiety, a wide range of other plausible proxies shows the same pattern. According to my own analysis of voting data, for example, the slower a county’s job growth has been since 2007, the more it shifted toward Trump.1 (The same is true looking back to 2000.) And of course Trump performed especially strongly among voters without a college degree — an important indicator of social status but also of economic prospects, given the shrinking share of jobs (and especially well-paying jobs) available to workers without a bachelor’s degree.

The role of economic anxiety becomes even clearer in the data once you control for race. Black and Hispanic Americans tend both to be poorer and to face worse economic prospects than non-Hispanic whites, but they also had strong non-economic reasons to vote against Trump, who had a history of making racist comments. Factoring in the strong opposition to Trump among most racial and ethnic minorities, Trump significantly outperformed Romney in counties where residents had lower credit scores and in counties where more men have stopped working.2

The list goes on: More subprime loans? More Trump support. More residents receiving disability payments? More Trump support. Lower earnings among full-time workers? More Trump support. “Trump Country,” as my colleague Andrew Flowers described it shortly after the election, isn’t the part of America where people are in the worst financial shape; it’s the part of America where their economic prospects are on the steepest decline.3

Teasing out cause and effect, of course, can be tricky, especially given that issues of race, economic status, education and social standing are so tightly linked in American society. But the economic anxiety explanation is consistent with what Trump supporters have been saying all along. More than a year ago, I visited Scott County, Iowa, where the unemployment rate was then 4.3 percent (it was an even lower 4.1 percent on Election Day). Nearly all the people I spoke to there were satisfied with their immediate economic situation. But when the conversation turned to the future, they were far more pessimistic.

“This is a county that 40 years ago, you could go to college and you’d be set for life, or you could come out of high school and get a job at Deere or Case or wherever and also be set for life with a solid, middle-class lifestyle,” Jason Gordon, a local alderman, told me at the time. “That doesn’t exist here anymore, and I don’t think it exists anywhere anymore.”

Scott County ended up voting for Clinton, but barely — she won by less than 2 percentage points. Obama won it by nearly 14 points four years earlier.

None of this is to say that economic issues are the only, or even the primary, explanation for Trump’s success. A recent paper from researchers at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, found that racism and sexism predicted support for Trump better than economic dissatisfaction. But even that paper found that economic dissatisfaction was an important factor. In other words, the “economics or culture” argument is a false dichotomy. There’s no reason that both forces couldn’t matter; in fact, both did.

This debate isn’t merely an academic curiosity. The role of economics in the election matters politically: for Trump, because voters may turn on him if he doesn’t deliver on his economic promises, and for Democrats, because they will struggle to win back the White House if they don’t find ways to speak convincingly on these issues. And it matters in terms of policy: Trump’s economic plans may not make much sense, but the problems identified by his supporters are real. Manufacturing jobs really have disappeared, and we haven’t yet found a source of similarly stable, well-paying jobs to take their place. Wages really have stagnated for much of the past 15 years, and economic mobility, at least by some definitions, really has fallen. College costs really have risen, and our retirement system really is broken. Until politicians and policymakers find ways to address those issues, economic anxiety — and its political consequences — isn’t likely to go away.

Stop Saying Trump’s Win Had Nothing To Do With Economics
 

EndDomination

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Jun 22, 2014
Messages
31,857
Reputation
7,427
Daps
111,963
Correlation =/= causation
I'm sure if you did an "IQ" test of the same regions that voted for Trump, you'd find the median score would be lower than regions that did not.
"Median education acquired" would likely have the same result as well.
Poorer people, in poorer regions are less informed, less politically-educated, far more prone to right-wing populism, etc.
Its literally just "rich man told poor man he no need be poor anymore, poor man believe."
 

Scoop

All Star
Joined
Jun 17, 2012
Messages
6,139
Reputation
-2,680
Daps
9,777
Correlation =/= causation
I'm sure if you did an "IQ" test of the same regions that voted for Trump, you'd find the median score would be lower than regions that did not.
"Median education acquired" would likely have the same result as well.
Poorer people, in poorer regions are less informed, less politically-educated, far more prone to right-wing populism, etc.
Its literally just "rich man told poor man he no need be poor anymore, poor man believe."

Liberals: "Our policies help poor people because it's not their fault they're poor and we're such compassionate people"

Also liberals: "Poor people are dumb and their opinions shouldn't be counted"

Whether poor people's opinions are valid or not depends on whether those poor people are taking liberal positions.
 
Last edited:

EndDomination

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Jun 22, 2014
Messages
31,857
Reputation
7,427
Daps
111,963
Liberals: "Our policies help poor people because it's not their fault they're poor and we're such compassionate people"

Also liberals: "Poor people are dumb and their opinions shouldn't be counted"

It comes down to if X group of poor people support liberal ideas or not as to which description of poor people liberals use.
Please rewrite this, I think its missing some structural agreement, I can't make heads or tails of it, honestly.
And I'm not a liberal.
 

PoppyCorn710

Banned
Joined
Jan 5, 2017
Messages
98
Reputation
-210
Daps
129
Reppin
Houston, TX
Correlation =/= causation
I'm sure if you did an "IQ" test of the same regions that voted for Trump, you'd find the median score would be lower than regions that did not.
"Median education acquired" would likely have the same result as well.
Poorer people, in poorer regions are less informed, less politically-educated, far more prone to right-wing populism, etc.
Its literally just "rich man told poor man he no need be poor anymore, poor man believe."

You better be careful there. What is the median IQ in major cities? Now how about inner cities? What about suburbs of cities?Dense populations doesn't mean everyone within that area has the same IQ. Lots of working class live in major cities and bring down the average IQ.

Only 30% of Americans have a four year college degree. Most Americans only finished high school. About 20% don't have a high school diploma at all and of those a lot are minority.

If poor people are so uninformed and so stupid, why do Democrats want them to vote?Why do Democrats literally campaign on wanting the poor to vote at the same rate as the middle class? Why do they think more poor people voting helps them if the poor are more likely to be right wing?

You cannot toss in the highly educated and well off with the rest of the Democrat coalition and claim that the mix turns everyone into an educated and well off voter. Most voters in this country are NOT college educated and are NOT financially well off.

Hence why Dems and Republicans go after working/middle class voters.
 

EndDomination

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Jun 22, 2014
Messages
31,857
Reputation
7,427
Daps
111,963
You better be careful there. What is the median IQ in major cities? Now how about inner cities? What about suburbs of cities?Dense populations doesn't mean everyone within that area has the same IQ. Lots of working class live in major cities and bring down the average IQ.

Only 30% of Americans have a four year college degree. Most Americans only finished high school. About 20% don't have a high school diploma at all and of those a lot are minority.

If poor people are so uninformed and so stupid, why do Democrats want them to vote?Why do Democrats literally campaign on wanting the poor to vote at the same rate as the middle class? Why do they think more poor people voting helps them if the poor are more likely to be right wing?

You cannot toss in the highly educated and well off with the rest of the Democrat coalition and claim that the mix turns everyone into an educated and well off voter. Most voters in this country are NOT college educated and are NOT financially well off.

Hence why Dems and Republicans go after working/middle class voters.
I know, IQ measurements are bullshyt, largely dictated by income of parents. I put it in parenthesis, sarcasm-lite.
I think the difference is that if Americans voted blindly Democratic, their lives would be better :mjgrin:
Like fukk the Dem-establishment, and Hillary, and neoliberalism, and all of that, but more robust, cheaper healthcare, far more developed infrastructure, greater focus on green energy, and more education spending, with women's healthcare continually developing would probably be better than Creationism in textbooks and hangar abortions :mjgrin:
 
Top