6 Democrats Join GOP to confirm "Lady Cheney" Gina Haspel #TheResistance

[88m3]

If the 6 aren't voting yes, they have to vote no.

Only McCain can miss a vote. If every democrat votes "no" she loses the confirmation 48 to 51.

Right..

Idk, I feel like the fix was in and people got free votes more or less because it clearly had nothing do with their constituents...


One thing that irks me is that we never found out what Haspel's role was in the scheme of things.


The only bright side I see is that we didn't get another Pompeo or worse but everything about this situation is wrong. Worse is that the same people who signed off on the techniques originally are the same people in the senate and elsewhere today.
The CIA didn't go rouge and say we're going to start using enhanced interrogation techniques, the regular military was doing this as well, and everyone knew.

 

[Russian Bot v.2.1]

bu, but, but we're the opposition party

the democrats are pathetic. this is what happens when you let your party get ran by centrists...the ones in the red states vote with the opposition with no repercussions whatsoever

 

[hashmander]

How in the world does this help purple/red dems?

well if the sheer number of republicans voting to confirm her says anything, it's a winning issue in red states to be for torture.

 

[hashmander]

bu, but, but we're the opposition party

the democrats are pathetic. this is what happens when you let your party get ran by centrists...the ones in the red states vote with the opposition with no repercussions whatsoever

so the answer isn't to get more democrats like the 43 who voted against her, but to trash the party for the 6 that did because that's more important than the 48 republicans that did vote in support. at least change your avatar if you want to pretend like you have legit concerns playing that both sides game.

 

[Pressure]

This is another vote that dems will pay for this fall and in 2020.

Absolutely not. The dems who voted yes aren't threatened by losing progressive votes.

Most people don't care about this vote.

 

[BillBanneker]

well if the share number of republicans voting to confirm her says anything, it's a winning issue in red states to be for torture.

We all know that orange man has them on puppet strings. He could nominate a infant and they would juelz their way to justify it.

Absolutely not. The dems who voted yes aren't threatened by losing progressive votes.

Most people don't care about this vote.

Then why vote in favor of her then?

 

[hashmander]

We all know that orange man has them on puppet strings. He could nominate a infant and they would juelz their way to justify it.



Then why vote in favor of her then?

because those who voted in favor are more afraid of their right flank at home than the left. for example bill nelson isn't going to lose democratic votes because of this, but he could lose the many centrist and right leaning votes he relies on to win in this state if he's seen as being engaged in partisan attacks against a woman who was just looking out for america's security (that's how shyt like that gets framed in red or purple states. if america didn't want pro-torture people being nominated to lead the CIA then they shouldn't have elected a pro-torture president.

 

[BillBanneker]

because those who voted in favor are more afraid of their right flank at home than the left. for example bill nelson isn't going to lose democratic votes because of this, but he could lose the many centrist and right leaning votes he relies on to win in this state if he's seen as being engaged in partisan attacks against a woman who was just looking out for america's security (that's how shyt like that gets framed in red or purple states. if america didn't want pro-torture people being nominated to lead the CIA then they shouldn't have elected a pro-torture president.

Eh, really. That's going to happen anyway now regardless of the issue and its not like she's some well know hard line right winger.

And, if that's the case (where the right can spin cycle anything), when do they ever vote democratic?

 

[Pressure]

Eh, really. That's going to happen anyway now regardless of the issue and its not like she's some well know hard line right winger.

And, if that's the case (where the right can spin cycle anything), when do they ever vote democratic?

Those people would likely just view it as holding up an important appointment just to hold it up. And to be honest it is.

Anyone Trump nominated for that position was always going to be either soft on or in favor of advanced interrogation.

 

[BillBanneker]

Those people would likely just view it as holding up an important appointment just to hold it up. And to be honest it is.

Anyone Trump nominated for that position was always going to be either soft on or in favor of advanced interrogation.

The latter makes more since. But I'ma need some evidence as for the reasoning that it would be a huge campaign issue for them, if something as small as this can scare them into a corner then actual legislation/partisan issues would be a death blow.

 

[Pressure]

The latter makes more since. But I'ma need some evidence as for the reasoning that it would be a huge campaign issue for them, if something as small as this can scare them into a corner then actual legislation/partisan issues would be a death blow.

Joe Manchin is pretty much a republican.

I've talked to a few people I know from west VA and they aren't upset.

Quote:

"It's the fukking CIA, of course they're going to torture people. At least they aren't lying about it. "

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The Political Solution for African-Americans is Our Own Political Party

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Absolutely not. The dems who voted yes aren't threatened by losing progressive votes.

Most people don't care about this vote.

What? Elections do not happen in isolation. Weak voter turnout is predicated on the belief that the person I'm voting will fail me like the politician you voted for.

I've already argued this multiple times. Dems across the board lost in 2010 because of the failure of those elected in 2008. Maryland dems lost the governorship in 2014, because Dem voters felt duped by O'Malley. Hillary got killed on fracking because of governors like Cuomo. Hilllary got crushed over the Crime Bill when it was fukkn Joe Biden that wrote the shyt.

Will this shift the election - no. But it creates another chapter of hypocrisy that Booker, Warren, Sanders, or Harris will have to acknowledge in 2020.