8-6-15 GOP Faux News Debate Thread 8:50pm EST
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I hear you on Huckabee but hes been saying crazy shyt, moreso than usual. The one who is cooked on that is the preaming schmo Santorum. Huckabee DIRECTLY takes his evangelical base. A lot of GOP voters who want the forcefulness are going straight to Trump. Carson serves as the alternative to that personality type while not being in the political class. I don't think his campaign loses steam soon...I also do not think he has a chance to win but I expect him to have a brief surge at some point and I dont think he is in direct competition with Huckabee as much as you think (but I dont dismiss that notion either). Kasich is essentially Jeb but without the Bush and somehow less charisma.
Trump gets like 2 spazzes before it hurts him imo. He needs to create the narrative that he looked composed and responsible here. He can go hard on immigration and Obama and be fine though.
Rubio has been real quiet the last month. He was right there with Bush and Walker but he's kinda vanished. Its hard to imagine him not being in the conversation but I'm not seeing where he's supposed to win. Iowa is hard to imagine, New Hampshire is split to hell with Bush, Kasich, Paul, and Christie all putting most of their resources there, South Carolina is harder to call but there's guys who connect better there too.
Oh I don't doubt that. But he's going to be food after the election. Not because he's a threat, but because he's easily dispensable. And
VP?
Rubio jumped the shark on his career. He shouldve waited another 4-8 years.
True on Santorum. They're really incredibly similar candidates; harsh social conservatives but economically centric.
I can see your arguement with Trump already taking the proto-facist types from everybody. I still think Carson is just a place holder for one of Huckabee/Walker/Cruz to take though.
Someone described Kasich as having anti-charisma. I think that's a good description. He's so prickly he almost comes off as likable. Just don't see the space for him, despite his considerable accomplishments
And we know since in America speech is money, Jeb! gonna end up talking the loudest.
I think he ends up as the heir apparent next time. If Jeb gets it him and Walker will fight it out in 2020.
He shouldn't have challenged Jeb this time though, Bushes don't play, shoutout Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, and John McCain's b*stard daughter
Fully expect Walker to get slayed, and hope Cruz get that work too. Ole dikk riding Trump ass
Huckabee is basically Santorum except a better politician and candidate in every way. They are exactly the same ideologically. Thats where Huckabee is getting his pts from..the Santorum mini-wave of the last cycle.
I think Carson kinda has his own lane. If I had to make a comparison, Id say hes some sort of mix of Huckabee and Rand to me. He is the most qualified on the most important GOP talking point (Obamacare) and that means a lot. Ive heard him speak a lot and he is very smooth and probably the smartest person in either field. He was getting grass-roots buzz a year ago in Florida which shocked me...I don't think he is really a place-holder rather than campaigning for ideological advance, future political aspirations and maaaaybe a VP push.
Cruz is good but he is just going to be an attack dog and will position himself to be a possible Trump running mate. His personality in public isnt all that authentic to me when its compared to his speeches and dialogue in congressional hearings. Hes a policy wonk and while they tend to make good elected officials, they dont make good candidates.
Walker is running that Paul Ryan lane. Not a coincidence (Wisconsin). He reminds me of the presidential candidates in Futurama. He is just a suit. I know a solid % of the GOP loves him and thinks he's electable if nominated but Im not buying it. He hasnt presented anything about himself as a person other than being a square that barely survived recall elections. When your major assets are A) Budget as Gov and B) Survived recall elections...its just not good enough. There are other Governors with the budget angle (Kasich/Jeb/Perry) and the latter can also be spun into a negative. He'd get smashed by the Dems. He's a fresh face but not a fresh person..hes just another cog in the political class machine and thats just not going to cut it.
I agree with that on Kasich. What you see is what you get. Ultra bland, seemingly agreeable successful former Governor. I can't really dislike him :mannyshrug:
And we know since in America speech is money, Jeb! gonna end up talking the loudest.
I think he ends up as the heir apparent next time. If Jeb gets it him and Walker will fight it out in 2020.
He shouldn't have challenged Jeb this time though, Bushes don't play, shoutout Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, and John McCain's b*stard daughter
Rubio is simply a Jeb fan boy. He will not attack him at all and serves as no threat to him or Trump. Jeb had more impact and success in Rubio's state. He can't really attack Trump on immigration without losing any chance in the primaries either. His only talking point is going to be about the intelligence community and a foreign policy attack on Rand..and if the GOP wants a hawk, they can do better than Rubio. He has a 0 sum game.
He's ultimately not taken seriously as a presidential candidate right now. The GOP has enough frustration with a "Junior Senator as President"..simply being young and latino isn't gonna work.
The eventual nominee could do worse than having Kasich as a VP. He's pretty moderate..I just don't think he'd give the prospective GOP campaign enough energy to have a net positive impact. Only way is if Hillary Dukakis picks a shytty VP and Kasich roasts that person in the debates..but even then...very few watch the VP debates while still being undecided. Its a non-factor.
They are giving off the vibes of wanting to win..but, trust me, a bunch of them know deep down they dont have a shot. A lot of them are angling as serious now but will pivot at the drop of a hat if they get a bump in % and then plateau. Look at Biden last time around..no one doubted that he wanted to win..but everyone knew it was Hillary or Obama not too long into the campaign.
You'll be able to tell more clearly in the debates when there is an opening for a shot at one of the top dogs and they side-step it. Or the ones who give their generic lip service to their own credibility but focus a majority of the time just trying to shyt on Democrats and Hillary. Those are the ones that are either 1) Not serious or 2) Have terrible campaign managers
Cruz is honestly a fukking scary dude. Read up on his history, dude has basically been indoctrinated since he was a child to be on some Ayn Rand/Jerry Falwell(which is comtradictory in itself) type shyt. He's trying to pick up on Trumps scraps once Trump fukks up but idk if that's gonna work. One plus for him is that he can say more racist shyt than anyone else(Carson and Rubio aren't gonna go down that lane imo) because his last name Cruz.
Walker is bland as fukk but he's scary too, mainly because of that. Dude reminds me of like a serial killer. Plays that aw shucks Everyman shyt while simultaneously doing everything in his power to funnel money back to his backers and fukk over the poor and working classes. He took something like 1 out of 3 votes from union households in Wisconsin while running on busting unions. Walker is the pinnacle of getting people to vote against their own interests. He's the Southern Strategy personified.
Cruz is fairly knowledgeable as a strict constitutionalist. Like I said though, his public persona is definitely not authentic. Even in the congressional hearings Ive seen...he is way too "lawyerish" in that he essentially leads whoever is a witness on a given subject to try and prove his stance rather than simply eliciting information from them. Ill read up on his background but that doesnt surprise me at all.
The guy who is really waiting on Trump's scraps is Chris Christie. He's clearly not unfamiliar with eating leftovers and he is playing that gregarious role...the spin is that he wants to be seen as Trump but more politically seasoned. It could work but he fukked up too many times in recent history...unlike Rubio/Walker..he ran too late. He shouldve ran last time. Plus, he just gaffe'd hard and isn't teflon like Trump...Trump having a gaffe is essentially part of his persona so its unlikely to affect him at all. As seen, things that he said would have buried other candidates yet he got a jump in %.
Walker:
fukk him, hes wack.