A Medicare for all/ Single Payer discussion

[Pressure]

Himmelstein & Woolhandler, and Hellander respond to The Nation’s Holland on single payer - PNHP's Official Blog

Medicare Extra for All - Center for American Progress



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[88m3]

Health care is important. I enjoy health care.

I think Medicare should be the floor not the goal.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It's funny how making healthcare a right is 'complicated' and can cause a 'shock to the system'. But war and military no one needs or asks for is just simple and agreed upon without debate.

 

[Pressure]

It's funny how making healthcare a right is 'complicated' and can cause a 'shock to the system'. But war and military no one needs or asks for is just simple and agreed upon without debate.

In the US we certainly make it easier to blow shyt up and also fund blowing shyt up than healthcare.

What I found interesting about this proposal is that it still maintains tiers and doesn't go quite full stop with it's tiers. In some ways, it feels like a compromise meant to appease insurance companies. Thoughts?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

In the US we certainly make it easier to blow shyt up and also fund blowing shyt up than healthcare.

What I found interesting about this proposal is that it still maintains tiers and doesn't go quite full stop with it's tiers. In some ways, it feels like a compromise meant to appease insurance companies. Thoughts?

The underlying issue is some people, more than would ever admit it publicly don't think healthcare is a right. They on their Ayn Rand philosophy shyt thinking if you can't take care of it yourself you don't deserve to live.
There is an insurance lobby and yeah pols are looking out for them. Or they don't want to be responsible for the short-term hit to the Dow. But really insurance is big enough with auto, home, life etc. So really I think they would readjust and be fine without the healthcare sector.

 

[Moich]

Health care over consumption would be a problem in the states I feel, if they went for single payer system. Grossly unhealthy nation with terrible eating habits.

 

[Pressure]

Health care over consumption would be a problem in the states I feel, if they went for single payer system. Grossly unhealthy nation with terrible eating habits.

The us has obesity problems, but Health care seems to be more of a social stratification issue more so than consumption.

 

[Moich]

The us has obesity problems, but Health care seems to be more of a social stratification issue more so than consumption.

That is not what I meant.

I'm referring to over use of healthcare.

Americans are hypochondriacs, and they over medicate.

That is why health costs are way over other countries.

Just like their per capita energy use outpaces the global average.

 

[Pressure]

That is not what I meant.

I'm referring to over use of healthcare.

Americans are hypochondriacs, and they over medicate.

That is why health costs are way over other countries.

Just like their per capita energy use outpaces the global average.

Americans overuse emergency services because they don't have adequate healthcare.

 

[Moich]

Americans overuse emergency services because they don't have adequate healthcare.

Healthy lifestyle and diet would lessen the need for healthcare in the first place.

Nothing beats preventive care; exercising, avoiding sugars, and fasts foods, drinking, smoking, risky sexual activities, good care of your oral health.

what is needed is wellness programs.

 

[Pressure]

Healthy lifestyle and diet would lessen the need for healthcare in the first place.

Nothing beats preventive care; exercising, avoiding sugars, and fasts foods, drinking, smoking, risky sexual activities, good care of your oral health.

what is needed is wellness programs.

Shut the fukk up.

 

[the cac mamba]

It's funny how making healthcare a right is 'complicated' and can cause a 'shock to the system'. But war and military no one needs or asks for is just simple and agreed upon without debate.

yeah its pretty disgusting. our priorities are fukkin garbage and only serve the elites in this country, and it isnt changing. so with that being the case for the forseeable future, my honest opinion is this;

the shyt is not feasible when it comes to efficiency, theres no comparison of these 30/40 million people countries to the 340 million we have in the US. and look how much they pay in taxes. as much as i wanted bernie to win, i didnt think he was actually gonna get single payer through and frankly, without the rearranging of the budget i was talking about? i didnt even want him to i pay enough money in fukkin taxes. so they're welcome to take what im giving the pentagon and use it for healthcare, but not my bank account. and ill vote for people who run on that all day, every day

as far as single payer, let me know when california is able to put it in place and then we can talk. they tried to budget it out and it was fukking laughable

 

[AlainLocke]

The underlying issue is some people, more than would ever admit it publicly don't think healthcare is a right. They on their Ayn Rand philosophy shyt thinking if you can't take care of it yourself you don't deserve to live.

Well this is the biggest problem with Healthcare in the USA...the USA is a young country that has built itself on violence, mass murder, revolution, enslavement, pioneering, neo-colonialism, militarism, industrialism, high finance and peak capitalism.

The way the USA even markets itself to non-Americans...with the American Dream...you can come here and be rich and famous...

The USA is low on compassion and collectivism...things like healthcare and the internet are seen as commodities that are meant to be sold and if you can't afford it...then fukk you.

Compassion is learned through suffering. The USA hasn't suffered enough as a country. Like other countries got thousands of years of suffering. Decade long wars on their soil. Multiple civil wars. Military dictatorships. Epidemics. Genocides. There are countries with like 4 constitutions.

The USA has benefited from isolation and rapid military and economic expansion. It hasn't experienced shyt yet. The USA is like a young athlete that went Number 1 in the draft and won the championship in the same year.

The USA isn't a place you come to raise your kids and a live a nice, easy going life...

It's a place you come to make money and make a name for yourself. I wouldn't advise anybody to live in the USA unless they just had to. There is only one period in USA history where (white) people had it good and that's the 50s. One. Every other decade it's ridiculous income and wealth inequality.

If you can't pay for good insurance, then you desire to die...

If you get shot, you should've had a gun too...

If you owe 150K in student loans, you should've majored in STEM....

If you are poor, make an app...

That's the American mentality.

This country kills their old and wounded, and eat their young and can't wait for the infants to born, so the wealthy and powerful can bathe in their blood and stay forever young so they can spend their all fukking money.

 

[Serious]

@Robbie3000 you think your podcast could discuss this issue.....

 

[Serious]

Health care over consumption would be a problem in the states I feel, if they went for single payer system. Grossly unhealthy nation with terrible eating habits.

Still would save more money than what is being spent.....

Initially the costs will be skyrocket high, but eventually the government will standardize things, which will allow for prices to drop down...

For example, if more people went to the doctor more frequently than Communicable Disease could be controlled and somewhat eradicated.
Also chronic diseases could be screened for and caught in the early stages, then maintained before it turns into a costly disease.

But the big money saver is freeing up, the ER, which overcharges people without insurance, and we know people without health insurance are already likely to be from lower income backgrounds and poor, so they can't afford the surcharges in the first place.

And if they do make payments, on emergency care, it can keep them in poverty because they're low income, so this could mean missing meals or skipping a car payment. Basically it's a poverty trap which leads to even further risky behavior.

This cycle of poverty, low health and education are essentially self-fulfilling prophecies. Making basic healthcare more accessible is one way of fixing inequity in this country.