A Trump voter's perspective

Althalucian

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I asked my student why he voted for Trump. The answer was thoughtful, smart, and terrifying.

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This past October, I taught a weeklong seminar on the history of conservatism to honors students from around the state of Oklahoma. In five long days, my nine very engaged students and I got to know each other fairly well. Six were African American women. Then there was a middle-aged white single mother, a white kid who looked like any other corn-fed Oklahoma boy and identified himself as "queer," and the one straight white male. I'll call him Peter.

Peter is 21 and comes from a town of about 3,000 souls. It's 85 percent white, according to the 2010 census, and 1.2 percent African American—which would make for about 34 black folks. "Most people live around the poverty line," Peter told the class, and hunting is as much a sport as a way to put food on the table.

Peter was one of the brightest students in the class, and certainly the sweetest. He liked to wear overalls to school—and on the last day, in a gentle tweak of the instructor, a red "Make America Great Again" baseball cap. A devout evangelical, he'd preferred former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at the start of the primary season, but was now behind Donald Trump.


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When he read the piece aloud in class that afternoon in October, the class was riveted. Several of the black women said it was the first time they'd heard a Trump supporter clearly set forth what he believed and why. (Though, defying stereotypes, one of these women—an aspiring cop—was also planning to vote for Trump.)

Peter's essay took off from the main class reading, Corey Robin's The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism From Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin. Its central argument is that conservative movements across history are united in their devotion to the maintenance of received social hierarchy. Peter, whose essay was titled "Plight of the Redneck," had a hard time seeing how that applied to the people he knew.

"We all live out in the wilderness, either in the middle of a forest or on a farm," he wrote. "Some people cannot leave their homes during times of unfortunate weather. Many still dry clothes by hanging them on wires with clothespins outside. These people are nowhere near the top, or even the middle, of any hierarchy. These people are scraping the bottom of the barrel, and they, seemingly, have nothing to benefit from maintaining the system of order that keeps them at the bottom." His county ended up going about 70 percent for Trump.

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Peter knows where he stands. He remembers multiple factories and small businesses "shutting down or laying off. Next thing you know, half of downtown" in the bigger city eight miles away "became vacant storefronts." Given that experience, he has concluded, "for those people who have no political voice and come from states that do not matter, the best thing they can do is try to send in a wrecking ball to disrupt the system."

When Peter finished with that last line, there was a slight gasp from someone in the class—then silence, then applause. They felt like they got it.

I was also riveted by Peter's account, convinced it might be useful as a counterbalance to glib liberal dismissals of the role of economic decline in building Trumpland. Then I did some research.

According to the 2010 census, the median household income in Peter's county is a little more than $45,000. By comparison, Detroit's is about $27,000 and Chicago's(with a higher cost of living) is just under $49,000. The poverty rate is 17.5 percent in the county and 7.6 percent in Peter's little town, compared with Chicago's 22.7 percent. The unemployment rate has hovered around 4 percent.

The town isn't rich, to be sure. But it's also not on the "bottom." Oklahoma on the whole has been rather dynamic economically: Real GDP growth was 2.8 percent in 2014—down from 4.3 percent in 2013, but well above the 2.2 percent nationally. The same was true of other Trump bastions like Texas (5.2 percent growth) and West Virginia (5.1 percent).

Peter, though, perceives the region's economic history as a simple tale of desolation and disappointment. "Everyone around was poor, including the churches," he wrote, "and charities were nowhere near (this wasn't a city, after all), so more people had to use some sort of government assistance. Taxes went up [as] the help became more widespread."

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But while Peter's analysis is at odds with much of the data, his overall story does fit a national pattern. Trump voters report experiencing greater-than-average levels of economic anxiety, even though they tend have better-than-average incomes. And they are inclined to blame economic instability on the federal government—even, sometimes, when it flows from private corporations. Peter wrote about the sense of salvation his neighbors felt when a Walmart came to town: "Now there were enough jobs, even part-time jobs...But Walmart constantly got attacked by unions nationally and with federal regulations; someone lost their job, or their job became part-time."

It's worth noting that if the largest retail corporation in the world has been conspicuously harmed by unions and regulations of late, it doesn't show in its net profits, which were $14.69 billion in 2015.* And of course, Walmart historically has had a far greater role in shuttering small-town Main Streets than in revitalizing them. But Peter's neighbors see no reason to resent it for that. He writes, "The majority of the people do not blame the company for their loss because they realize that businesses [are about] making money, and that if they had a business of their own, they would do the same thing."

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It's not fair to beat up on a sweet 21-year-old for getting facts wrong—especially if, as is likely, these were the only facts he was told. Indeed, teaching the class, I was amazed how even the most liberal students took for granted certain dubious narratives in which they (and much of the rest of the country) were marinated all year long, like the notion that Hillary Clinton was extravagantly corrupt.

Feelings can't be fact-checked, and in the end, feelings were what Peter's eloquent essay came down to—what it feels like to belong, and what it feels like to be culturally dispossessed. "After continually losing on the economic side," he wrote, "one of the few things that you can retain is your identity. What it means, to you, to be an American, your somewhat self-sufficient and isolated way of life, and your Christian faith and values. Your identity and heritage is the very last thing you can cling to...Abortion laws and gay marriage are the two most recent upsets. The vast majority of the state of Oklahoma has opposed both of the issues, and social values cannot be forced by the government."

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Peter thinks he's not a reactionary. Since that sounds like an insult, I'd like to think so, too. But in writing this piece, I did notice a line in his essay that I had glided over during my first two readings, maybe because I liked him too much to want to be scared by him. "One need only look to the Civil War and the lasting legacies of Reconstruction through to today's current racism and race issues to see what happens when the federal government forces its morals on dissenting parts of the country."

The last time I read that, I shuddered. So I emailed Peter. "I say the intrusions were worth it to end slavery and turn blacks into full citizens," I wrote. "A lot of liberals, even those most disposed to having an open mind to understanding the grievances of people like you and yours, will have a hard time with [your words]."

Peter's answer was striking. He first objected (politely!) to what he saw as the damning implication behind my observation. Slavery and Reconstruction? "I was using it as an example of government intrusion and how violent and negative the results can be when the government tries to tell people how to think. I take it you saw it in terms of race in politics. The way we look at the same thing shows how big the difference is between our two groups."

To him, focusing on race was "an attention-grabbing tool that politicians use to their advantage," one that "really just annoys and angers conservatives more than anything, because it is usually a straw man attack." He compared it to what "has happened with this election: everyone who votes for Trump must be racist and sexist, and there's no possible way that anyone could oppose Hillary unless it's because they're sexist. Accusing racism or sexism eliminates the possibility of an honest discussion about politics."

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I wanted to meet him halfway, until he started talking about history.

"The reason I used the Civil War and Reconstruction is because it isn't a secret that Reconstruction failed," Peter wrote. "It failed and left the South in an extreme poverty that it still hasn't recovered from." And besides, "slavery was expensive and the Industrial Revolution was about to happen. Maybe if there had been no war, slavery would have faded peacefully."

As a historian, I found this remarkable, since it was precisely what all American schoolchildren learned about slavery and Reconstruction for much of the 20th century. Or rather, they did until the civil rights era, when serious scholarship dismantled this narrative, piece by piece. But not, apparently, in Peter's world. "Until urban liberals move to the rural South and live there for probably a decade or more," he concluded, "there's no way to fully appreciate the view."

This was where he left me plumb at a loss. Liberals must listen to and understand Trump supporters. But what you end up understanding from even the sweetest among them still might chill you to the bone.

tl;dr Trump voter says the government wasn't being conservative/religious enough (the perspective fed by the media/info/perspective that is there and dominant) so they blew it up. Felt like he and his people were struggling too much.

What is important to note is that this is less about Trump, and more about his and other people's perspectives. I'm starting to think we need to stop attacking the orange cheeto, and maybe even stop going after people like Peter. We need to go at crazy right wing media. Essentially, Peter and his ilk are just pawns. Attacking them is punching way down. We need to help them see through the bullshyt.
 

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I asked my student why he voted for Trump. The answer was thoughtful, smart, and terrifying.

tl;dr at bottom

tl;dr Trump voter says the government wasn't being conservative/religious enough (the perspective fed by the media/info/perspective that is there and dominant) so they blew it up. Felt like he and his people were struggling too much.

What is important to note is that this is less about Trump, and more about his and other people's perspectives. I'm starting to think we need to stop attacking the orange cheeto, and maybe even stop going after people like Peter. We need to go at crazy right wing media. Essentially, Peter and his ilk are just pawns. Attacking them is punching way down. We need to help them see through the bullshyt.


When did we stop doing this though?:patrice:

I certainly didn't:ld:
 

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When did we stop doing this though?:patrice:

I certainly didn't:ld:

Yeah, and that's good that you do. I think the problem is that far too many people right now are attacking Trump and his peeps. That's like attacking a living illusion. That attack needs to be directed at other parties to undermine his administration's philosophy and the GOP philosophy. Additionally, every time someone goes after a Trump supporter it is with a lot of hatred. We need to envision ourselves as not seeing them as bad and not trying to insult them. We need to be on their side as brothers and sisters to put it in more religious terms. That's how we will get them to switch lanes.

As a society, we need to be on the offensive about the Limbaugh's and Shapiro's of the country. To challenge the National Review and Fox with our full might. Letting up on that is what led to this.
 

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No shyt middle class and poor white people are pawns, that's how capitalism + racism opperates together and upholds itself by creating a class hierarchy and racial hierarchy that intertwines

well most people on the Coli are into that race essentialism bullshyt which is a core part of their pseudo-militancy :francis:
 

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Not to be a dikk, but this has been the Left interpretation of trumpism for 19 months now. It's a blatantly obvious conclusion.
 

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The kid was saddened by all the stores closing in his small town yet supported Walmart which decimates American retail small businesses with third world manufactured crap, plight of the redneck frfr, they must all be of Polish ancestry :dead:
 

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There is no reaching an agreement or middle ground with these people..

But thankfully they will be dealt with once an for all in our lifetime.

I disagree. I just think you need to bypass them and go after their masters. When their masters are put on the ropes is when these people's beliefs are most shaky. That's how you get a Bernie.

However, they will def suffer the consequences of their actions on this one. They won't like what comes next...
 

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I disagree. I just think you need to bypass them and go after their masters. When their masters are put on the ropes is when these people's beliefs are most shaky. That's how you get a Bernie.

However, they will def suffer the consequences of their actions on this one. They won't like what comes next...

Bypass them and go after their masters :laff:


Not happening. Yall got the wrong type of hope when it comes to this shyt.
 

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I was talking to a girl I've known for a few years, on Tuesday, been friends with, she's a friends ex (off and on), and she's a supporter.....Though, she and her whole family are Mexican. I was trying to engage her on various questions, and it really just exposed how stupid, ignorant, and limited she is. And, this is someone with two degrees, and a decent job. I've never known her to be intelligent, but I really underestimated just how stupid.....and it's not just stupid, it's dangerous, because so many in country think like this, and I think this was evidenced by last election. It's all 'I like him....he's a nice man'.....And they know very little of actual policy, nominees, or actions he's taken.

Beyond just that, I think it is a reflection of anger, or otherwise and feeling like Obama spoke 'down' to them, simply because he is vastly more intelligent. Whether they also resent the fact he's black, is another angle, but strictly the intelligence is something I think is really prevalent. They think someone like Trump speaks like them, and for them. And "says what he means". It's really, I think in a broad way, a divide of the intellectual vs. the dumb. Obviously, some very wealthy, educated Republicans helped get him elected, but his real support that won the electoral colleges is people like this girl. And she didn't vote, but her family in Texas did.

Her mom, a public school teacher, voted for Trump, who nominated a women, who will devastate the public school budgets.

I realize some of this ground has been covered extensively in many articles, stories, videos, but on a personal level, there's something to realizing the person in front of you is quite stupid, and that stupidity has led to the election of a hateful, horrific, disaster of a president, whose untold consequence has yet to be fully realized.
 

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I was talking to a girl I've known for a few years, on Tuesday, been friends with, she's a friends ex (off and on), and she's a supporter.....Though, she and her whole family are Mexican. I was trying to engage her on various questions, and it really just exposed how stupid, ignorant, and limited she is. And, this is someone with two degrees, and a decent job. I've never known her to be intelligent, but I really underestimated just how stupid.....and it's not just stupid, it's dangerous, because so many in country think like this, and I think this was evidenced by last election. It's all 'I like him....he's a nice man'.....And they know very little of actual policy, nominees, or actions he's taken.

Beyond just that, I think it is a reflection of anger, or otherwise and feeling like Obama spoke 'down' to them, simply because he is vastly more intelligent. Whether they also resent the fact he's black, is another angle, but strictly the intelligence is something I think is really prevalent. They think someone like Trump speaks like them, and for them. And "says what he means". It's really, I think in a broad way, a divide of the intellectual vs. the dumb. Obviously, some very wealthy, educated Republicans helped get him elected, but his real support that won the electoral colleges is people like this girl. And she didn't vote, but her family in Texas did.

Her mom, a public school teacher, voted for Trump, who nominated a women, who will devastate the public school budgets.

I realize some of this ground has been covered extensively in many articles, stories, videos, but on a personal level, there's something to realizing the person in front of you is quite stupid, and that stupidity has led to the election of a hateful, horrific, disaster of a president, whose untold consequence has yet to be fully realized.

I'm really starting to wonder if mass society in itself is just destined to be a failure. It's disgusting that my life is so intertwined with and determined by people who are absolute idiots. :scust:
 
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