Adam Smith to Richard Spencer: Why Libertarians turn to the Alt-Right

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If you’ve paid attention to politics on the internet as long as I have, you might have noticed a worrying and confusing trend: traditionally libertarian figures transitioning into alt-right supporters. I’ve followed the ‘classical liberal’ faction of the internet since about 2014, the year I started becoming interested in politics. I was watching Christopher Cantwell before he became known as the crying Nazi , when his chant was ‘taxation is theft’, not ‘Jews will not replace us’. I remember Stefan Molyneux when he was debating whether we should have a government, not whether government should be used to promote eugenics.

This fascinating transition from the libertarian right to the authoritarian right has been mirrored in just about every single alt-right figurehead. Think Milo Yiannopoulos, Richard Spencer, Alex Jones, and Tim Gionet (known as ‘Baked Alaska’). The latter used to identify as “a carefree, easygoing libertarian” who “firmly opposed the war on drugs, and championed the cause of Black Lives Matter”. But now, he’s being banned from Twitterfor promoting white supremacy and ranting about how Jews control the media. The creator of the Right Stuff, a Neo-Nazi blog that hosts such unsavoury podcasts as the ‘Daily Shoah’ openly acknowledges this, saying “We were all libertarians back in the day. I mean, everybody knows this.” Jeffrey Tucker wrote “They’re doing to libertarianism what they did to Pepe the frog, or Taylor Swift — to co-opt it. They know that no normal American is going to rally around the Nazi flag, so they’re taking ours.” But what exactly makes these people so vulnerable to conversion to the alt-right?

“We were all libertarians back in the day. I mean, everybody knows this”

[paste:font size="4"]Friedman’s backing of Pinochet. It is clear that the these people have always been willing to put aside ideology for what they see as an end that justifies the means, even in such morally abhorrent cases as supporting Apartheid in South Africa or the Confederacy under the pretence of ‘states rights’. This lingering white supremacy in the libertarian movement carried on beyond the mid twentieth century, into the ideologies of Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell. Rothbard himself wrote that “The proper strategy of libertarians and paleos is a strategy of ‘right-wing populism” Essentially, that means appealing to the racism held within the right of American society (not dissimilar to what we see in Donald Trump).

We can see this again, with strands of white supremacy throughout Ron Paul’s two presidential campaigns in 2008 and 2012, perhaps the clearest place where internet libertarianism flourished. Paul was the favoured presidential candidate by libertarians, and if you spent a lot of time on websites such as Reddit in 2012, you almost certainly saw massive amounts of support for him. Of course, while not everyone who supported Ron Paul was a racist, he was surrounded by racists and they had a strong place in his campaign, including future alt-right leader Richard Spencer. But it wasn’t until the collapse of New Atheism that right libertarianism would reach the peak of its internet success.

New Atheism was the primary shelter for teenage white middle-class men around 2010 (and I’m ashamed to confess I was one of them). Reddit was originally one of the biggest places on the internet for New Atheism, with /r/Atheism being one of the biggest subreddits on the site. Over time, it transitioned from hating religion to hating ‘Social Justice Warriors’, supporting Ron Paul’s presidential campaign, and fighting for libertarian issues like legalisation of marijuana. Just as we can draw a direct line between Right Libertarianism and White Supremacy, we can do the same with New Atheism and the Libertarian movement. We just need to look to YouTube to see that ‘rational skeptics’, like TheAmazingAtheist or Sargon of Akkad, transitioned from New Atheism to Classical Liberalism to the Alt-Right (here’s an interesting inside perspective on that here). All of these communities carried over a similar audience, the previously mentioned white middle-class demographic, mainly on platforms such as YouTube or Reddit. Indeed, it could be argued that part of what made New Atheism so popular among this demographic was not only the counter-culture rebellion against traditional societal values, but strands of islamophobia. Obviously, both of these traits are core components of the alt-right. So, with the transition from New Atheism to right libertarianism, the alt-right had a clear target for conversion and recruitment.


 

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We should also discuss the failings of the left here, as much as I am reluctant to do so. Quite frankly, the left is pretty terrible at explaining its ideas. I’m a Marxist, but if I started talking to a libertarian and using words like Proletariat and Leninism, they would bolt back to their reactionary ideology straightaway. The left just isn’t as accessible as the alt-right is to them. Libertarians are also easily pushed to more authoritarian ideas by groups such as antifa, who they see as a threat to them due to the absurd myth that antifa attacks anyone right of centre. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t continue to crush fascists, it just means we have to accept we’re going to scare away some libertarians in the meantime. We also have to acknowledge that capitalists will always side with the far right over the far left. Historically, when faced with a choice between the two, the capitalist will side with the fascist. Now is no different. In this time of extreme polarisation, we’re seeing reactionaries flocking to the side they are closest to. Private property is perhaps the strongest libertarian principle, above any other, and socialists are the ones who want to abolish it, not fascists.

We can also simply examine the personalities of libertarians. David Boaz explains this best, saying that “Some people may become libertarians because they’re angry. For a while, it’s enough to be angry at the government. But ultimately libertarianism is about peaceful cooperation―markets, civil society, global trade, peace―so it just isn’t angry enough for some people. Racial intolerance is a way to be angry at the whole world.” However, I’d like to offer another explanation. It’s not just anger that draws people to libertarianism, it’s contrarianism. Libertarianism has traditionally been a way for young middle-class teenagers to be nonconforming to both the left and right wings. They get to argue with their peers about social justice, while rebelling against their parents by advocating cannabis legalisation. It’s very easy to see the appeal of such an ideology if you just want to argue and hold provocative views. However, this means it’s very easy for libertarians to end up defending the ideologies of some of the worst groups out there, in their attempt to constantly shock, namely fascism.

Libertarianism is about peaceful cooperation―markets, civil society, global trade, peace―so it just isn’t angry enough for some people.
 

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In libertarian philosophy, nobody ought to be compelled to associate with anyone else. If blacks are committing crimes, or Jews are spreading communism, discriminating against them is the right of any property owner.

[paste:font size="4"]far smarter people than me to figure out, and that’s a different article for another time.

All we can do is make sure this doesn’t happen again. If the libertarian movement does ever seriously resurge, (politics is cyclical, after all) then we have to prevent them from falling for the same tricks that they fell for this time. It seems to me that any right wing ideology is inherently susceptible to far right authoritarian conversion, so maybe this is supposed to be some overarching point about how all right wing ideologies are evil and we need to fight them as a united left. I’m not entirely sure. All I know is that the transition from libertarian to authoritarian seemed pretty much inevitable for the right.

Adam Smith to Richard Spencer: Why Libertarians turn to the Alt-Right
 

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Libertarians are either failed Republicans that want free reign to criticize the party they love, without conforming to the ideals of any lawmaker in the GOP that might want to reach across the aisle for even a second to work with the Dems, or they are full blown racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobes that have been taught that identifying as a "Libertarian" provides them the cover they want to spew hateful, nonsensical hot takes. They are the weakest, most moronic, cowards in politics and in life. The lot of em' are fukking idiots.
 

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We should also discuss the failings of the left here, as much as I am reluctant to do so. Quite frankly, the left is pretty terrible at explaining its ideas. I’m a Marxist, but if I started talking to a libertarian and using words like Proletariat and Leninism, they would bolt back to their reactionary ideology straightaway. The left just isn’t as accessible as the alt-right is to them. Libertarians are also easily pushed to more authoritarian ideas by groups such as antifa, who they see as a threat to them due to the absurd myth that antifa attacks anyone right of centre. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t continue to crush fascists, it just means we have to accept we’re going to scare away some libertarians in the meantime. We also have to acknowledge that capitalists will always side with the far right over the far left. Historically, when faced with a choice between the two, the capitalist will side with the fascist. Now is no different. In this time of extreme polarisation, we’re seeing reactionaries flocking to the side they are closest to. Private property is perhaps the strongest libertarian principle, above any other, and socialists are the ones who want to abolish it, not fascists.

This bit is something I really would like to approach and tackle. The left really needs to market their ideas better and stop letting the right frame the beliefs, that's an easy place to start. Just looking at how BLM discussions had to start out with explaining to people that BLM didn't mean ONLY Black Lives Matter; is bonkers. Same with Abolish Ice false equivalence to End All Borders. These ideas aren't the same and we should make sure people understand the premises of the ideas we're proposing because we're losing before we even start with people who get hammered by propaganda aimed at minimizing the message.
 

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Libertarianism is just people with socioeconomic advantages coming up with an ideology to justify their socioeconomic advantage that says "No such thing, we're just better than you :troll:".

It's no surprise they'd go alt-right since it's basically the same thing, just with more emphasis on race.
 

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Didn't even read all that shyt. Libertarians ARE the alt-right. Theyre the kooks who were so racist, conspiracy theory minded, that the Republican party kicked them out. Read up on all the racism in the Ron Paul newsletter. The only reason they got invited back into the tent was the establsihment republicans got wrecked by Obama and they got desperate for foot soldiers
 

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This bit is something I really would like to approach and tackle. The left really needs to market their ideas better and stop letting the right frame the beliefs, that's an easy place to start. Just looking at how BLM discussions had to start out with explaining to people that BLM didn't mean ONLY Black Lives Matter; is bonkers. Same with Abolish Ice false equivalence to End All Borders. These ideas aren't the same and we should make sure people understand the premises of the ideas we're proposing because we're losing before we even start with people who get hammered by propaganda aimed at minimizing the message.
i don't know about this.... if saying black lives matter is interpreted by someone as white lives don't matter, i find that person suspect.... they probably get that interpretation not because of propaganda but because they are racist and resent the idea that any lives should matter other than their own... in other words, they are projecting....
 
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It seems like the mainstream debate on Adam Smith and Capitalism ignores his third stated purpose of government, which is to administer the needs of a civil society that the free market can't. Fire fighting, or plowing roads are a good simple example of this. If the pro-socialism left could just acknowledge that universal health care could be put in these same terms (thereby making it a progressive liberal position rather than a socialist one), they'd alienate less people who are anti-socialism. I don't even really think most American socialists are actual socialists...it's more just fashionable at the moment to say you are amongst other liberals, but it's detrimental to actual progress.
 

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i don't know about this.... if saying black lives matter is interpreted by someone as white lives don't matter, i find that person suspect.... they probably get that interpretation not because of propaganda but because they are racist and resent the the idea that any lives should matter other than their own... in other words, they are projecting....

I get what you're saying, but I've literally had conversations with Boomers whose only exposure to BLM was copaganda on FB and who only needed a brief explanation to say "that makes a lot more sense." It happened enough that it basically fit a profile for me; white baby boomers who didn't follow politics but kept seeing stories on their timeline about BLM (and I mean the type that painted BLM wanting cops dead). They'd know that I was into the progressive stuff and ask me what was going on.

Thing about that is, those were the people willing to ask and who associated me with this kinda protest stuff. I'm sure there's a small army of people who didn't have anyone they'd be comfortable asking about it or who asked someone with a completely anti-BLM attitude.
 
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