Aboriginal Australians and Maori in New Zealand live under similar oppression and the numbers are about the same. Immigrating there doesn’t negate their struggle
As an ADOS I would never immigrate to New Zealand or Australia, places that I have no ties of trauma to, use my American privilege, succeed under capitalism there and then use my success to show that those people are doing it to themselves. Because we understand generational battles have generational effects and because you can go somewhere that a people have already laid down the blood for you to exist there, doenst mean they aren’t “working hard enough”
When people try to understand the ADOS generational struggle it can be hard to draw parallels because it is a unique situation. Slavery happened in other countries in the Caribbean, but after slavery was abolished in those places, there was no large population of whites or governments in place to sanction Terrorism, instead they got poverty and obviously poverty breeds crime.
As I looked over the years for understanding, I took a look at Australia and New Zealand and found interesting things
For one, due to massacres and tragedies at the hands of Colonizer Australians, aboriginals are only 3% of the country’s population
But
Now when you read these stats they’re going to sound familiar. They’re going to sound like a people who have also dealt with cacs that understand that generational poverty and oppression comes with a weight.
Western Australia incarcerates the Aboriginal peoples of its State at 9 times the rate of Apartheid South Africa
For those who want the full link to the data here it goes
Abstract
This article compares Afro-American families in the United States to Maori families in New Zealand with statistical data collected by the governmental agencies of these respective countries. The Maoris are indigenous to New Zealand, forced into a coexistence with British colonialists; Afro-Americans were forcibly transplanted from their African homeland to work as slaves for the White settlers. Both groups coexist with European colonialists while suffering a devalued status based on skin color in their respective countries. Using the participant-observer technique and census data, the author discovers striking parallels between the demographic, social and familial situation of Afro-Americans and Maoris despite a separation by thousands of miles as well as historical and cultural dissimilarities. Among their similarities are higher rates of unemployment, imprisonment vis-a-vis the Anglo-Saxon population and lower levels of education and income. In both cases, the family system is assigned the major responsibility for low levels of achievement. The author concludes that it is the imposition of Eurocentric values, accompanied by structural inequalities, which make the family systems of the two groups appear to be dysfunctional. Their unequal status reflects structural conditions, not the family units. It is only by the recognition of external forces as the basic cause of the problematic status of Afro-Americans and Maoris that a resolution of the problems caused by European invasion and cultural dominance can be resolved.
Murphy compared the US black population's problems to those of Maori, and said the over-representation of Maori in the New Zealand prison population was "the product of colonialism and its aftermath: it's impossible to say the colonisation of native people has had a positive effect upon them when you see the results of the profound years of negative treatment.
"If you start with the proposition that all babies are born with an equal distribution of intelligence, energy and zest for life, and the environment in which they are raised causes the resulting differences, it is simple enough to understand. It's when people don't understand that there's a tendency to regard certain groups as less human or even sub human other than the underlying reason that people cant make the logical jump between equal infants and inequality as adults."
I wish. I met one in a writing class I took in 2015 and she was great, it’s how I first found out about stolen generations. When the government stole aboriginal children from their families.
to this day white Australians do not want to pay reparations either. Actually if you look on Reddit, every conversation about aboriginal crime / poverty, they sound exactly like white American cacs
“Stop committing crime”
“Stop stealing”
“Stop murdering”
“Stop having so many kids”
I wish. I met one in a writing class I took in 2015 and she was great, it’s how I first found out about stolen generations. When the government stole aboriginal children from their families.
to this day white Australians do not want to pay reparations either. Actually if you look on Reddit, every conversation about aboriginal crime / poverty, they sound exactly like white American cacs
“Stop committing crime”
“Stop stealing”
“Stop murdering”
“Stop having so many kids”
Aboriginal Australians and Maori in New Zealand live under similar oppression and the numbers are about the same. Immigrating there doesn’t negate their struggle
I would never immigrate to New Zealand or Australia, places that I have no ties of trauma to, use my American privilege, succeed under capitalism there and then use my success to show that those people are doing it to themselves. Because we understand generational battles have generational effects
And this is the exact strategy issue I mentioned in the other thread. No other group has these thoughts,breh.
This is exactly how we got into our position and how new groups keep advancing on this planet around us.
I coincidentally landed on your thread breh, and I honestly had no intention of continuing that convo elsewhere;however, when you have this mindset the opposition does not need a plan/global effort to keep black groups from advancing. This self chosen strategy does it for you.
But back on topic tho, I recall in middleschool they made us watch rabbit proof fence. And this was in Atlanta public schools of all places. Our social studies courses were all over the place. It was Gullah Geechee on one page and aboriginals on the next one. I personally think our teacher just liked showing that movie. But even from that film, I could tell those folk had been done bad.
Based on the film, I associated them more with the native American struggle. Because the reeducation stuff they went through and the separation of children is exactly same stuff natives went through in the Western plains states.
I think it would be difficult run into them here because of their lack of economic mobility tho. @The Plug its cool that you got to meet one. How were they phenotypically?
And this is the exact strategy issue I mentioned in the other thread. No other group has these thoughts,breh.
This is exactly how we got into our position and how new groups keep advancing on this planet around us.
I coincidentally landed on your thread breh, and I honestly had no intention of continuing that convo elsewhere;however, when you have this mindset the opposition does not need a plan/global effort to keep black groups from advancing. This self chosen strategy does it for you.
it’s a couple of reasons,
1 because obviously america is wealthy
2 we are first generation Americans. There’s never been any version of america where African Americans haven’t been here. So on one here we’ve been oppressed here, on the other we are not immigrants.
3. we built it
I've mentioned this several times before. Comparing AAs to Asian, African, and Caribbean immigrants is disingenuous as hell. The generational poverty and oppression isn't there.
When people do the model minority shyt you'll notice they act like native Americans don't exist because it doesn't fit their narrative
Same thing with First Nation people in Canada and Koreans in Japan. You see the same "IQ gap" and overrepresention in crime.
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And this is the exact strategy issue I mentioned in the other thread. No other group has these thoughts,breh.
jesus Christ
