Alchemist wins hhdx' Producer Of The Year

[Tetris v2.0]

The only way we can objectify "quality" of music is by gauging the fans response to the music, and the one way we can measure the fans response, is by looking at the numbers and how well the music is doing in the charts...

Its just numbers huh Honey Boo Boo > Homeland huh

What a sweet fukking moron you are

So "fans" (like your remedial ass just wrote) decide? Are we not fans in this thread agreeing with each other? He just won an Award on a pretty well-known Internet review site full of fans of his

"the one way we can measure the fans response, is by looking at the numbers and how well the music is doing in the charts"
I think you meant "consumers", not "fans"

 

[thernbroom]

40 should have got it or Mike WiLL

 

[Tetris v2.0]

40 should have got it or Mike WiLL

Did they produce any albums or full projects this year?

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Quality in music is 100% subjective...To say that Alchemist put out "quality" music is an opinion...Your opinion has no more validity than mine...

Yes it does, because you showed your ass and how very little you know.

Please bump this, dikk-in-mouth, and repent for your ignorance. We forgive you

http://www.the-coli.com/booth/47193-alchemist-production-discography-1997-2012-a.html#.UNNJMo4ijww

 

[deeznutz]

Alchemist deserves a fukkin Grammy for his work this year

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Its just numbers huh Honey Boo Boo > Homeland huh
What a sweet fukking moron you are
So "fans" (like your remedial ass just wrote) decide? Are we not fans in this thread agreeing with each other? He just won an Award on a pretty well-known Internet review site full of fans of his
"the one way we can measure the fans response, is by looking at the numbers and how well the music is doing in the charts"

1) What is "Honey Boo Boo"...? Who produced that beat, and who rapped on it...? Your point is lost to me, because I don't know what you are talking about...

Homeland...? Are you talking about the TV Show...? If you are, what the hell does this have to do with hip hop beat making...?

2) No need for name calling...

3) I am not saying that I get to decide...I am speaking in general terms here...

And the number of Alchemist fans is pretty small in the total hip hop pool of fans...If it wasn't, dude would of have had a banger this year on the charts, but he didn't...

Like I stated in my original response...

Where are the bangers...? Which Alchemist song knocked this year...?

Who jumped on an Alchemist beat to make a remix like Kanye and other rappers jumped on "I don't like"...?

How come there is NO DISCUSSION in the mainstream media about anything the Alchemist has done this year...?

Dude had NO STORY this year i.e. he wasn't a trending topic in hip hop this year, and he wins producer of the year over other producers who kept our whips, clubs, internet and etc bouncing all year along...?



That's like giving a player who plays in the NBA's D-League "basketball player of the year" award, over players like LeBron, Kobe, Kevin Durant and etc...

If this analogy doesn't sink in your head, then I think, I may not be the only "remedial a++" in this thread...

 

[Da_Eggman]

El-P is better straight up producer

 

[Tetris v2.0]

1) What is "Honey Boo Boo"...? Who produced that beat, and who rapped on it...? Your point is lost to me, because I don't know what you are talking about...Its a show based on your life

Homeland...? Are you talking about the TV Show...? If you are, what the hell does this have to do with hip hop beat making...? If numbers are the only objective judgment of quality, then higher ratings = better TV show then right? Funny that you dont know one of the highest rated programs on TV, just like I dont know shyt about fukkin DJ Mustard and his "bangers"

2) No need for name calling... Yes, I hate people like you

3) I am not saying that I get to decide...I am speaking in general terms here...

And the number of Alchemist fans is pretty small in the total hip hop pool of fans...If it wasn't, dude would of have had a banger this year on the charts, but he didn't... Youre such a fukking idiot

Like I stated in my original response...

Where are the bangers...? Which Alchemist song knocked this year...? He put out three full albums of quality material and had tons of beats on others projects, which were well-respected and highly-rated music....clearly you were too busy listening to Hot 97 while Ebro was bumpin that ALC piffery

Who jumped on an Alchemist beat to make a remix like Kanye and other rappers jumped on "I don't like"...? No one. Thank god. dikkriding-politics and posturing ≠ TALENT

How come there is NO DISCUSSION in the mainstream media about anything the Alchemist has done this year...? What is "mainstream media" friend? Just about every critical/journalistic music outlet has discussed what he's done this year and praised him. I dont think you read though. I think you consume "opinions" from corporate-funded broadcast, Twitter feeds and charts

Dude had NO STORY this year i.e. he wasn't a trending topic in hip hop this year, and he wins producer of the year over other producers who kept our whips, clubs, internet and etc bouncing all year along...? Im glad DJ Mustard kept your "internet bouncing" this year. I truly feel bad for you. Dont worry, theres always the BET Awards


That's like giving a player who plays in the NBA's D-League "basketball player of the year" award, over players like LeBron, Kobe, Kevin Durant and etc...Funny. An analogy about praising people with SKILLS and for their technical abilities and talents Thanks for arguing FOR ME

If this analogy doesn't sink in your head, then I think, I may not be the only "remedial a++" in this thread...Ahhh get the fukk outta here already

 

[docholliday]

1) Many of his beats are loops, but I will give him a pass because that's hip hop...

2) The rappers who rap on his beats actually "help the beat more than the beat helps them." The "We Gon' Make It" beat was given to Ras Kass and nothing came of it, until Jadakiss blessed the track...

3) The beat battle vs Just Blaze showed me The Alchemist doesn't really have that many certified all across the board hip hop bangers...In other words, bangers that fans of different forms of hip hop can actually say "yeah, this knocks.'

He doesn't have these kinds of beats, even though he's been around for years and he has an extensive discography...

Basically, the Alchemist is a "Cult Classic" beat maker...You have to be in that "Real/Pure Hip Hop" lane to hear his music...


To conclude,
The Alchemist is NOT UNDERRATED in the grand scheme of hip hop, because he just hasn't consistently made blockbuster beats...

He is not in the same league as Kanye West, The Neptunes, Timbaland, Irv Gotti, Dr Dre, Trackmasters, and other "Major League" beat makers who can make a rapper go platinum off of one beat...

He is overrated because, he has a cult of followers who believe his beats are that hot, when the majority of fans and rappers in the "major leagues" don't seem to think so, because they don't run to Alchemist for that "fire" that will take them over the top...

I am an amateur beatmaker who samples and tries to do my own composition, and there are only a few Alchemist beats that have made me just want to give up beatmaking...And that's how I judge how good a beatmaker is...

If I hear your beat and feel like "damn, this is too hot...I might as well just stop making beats, because I don't have the creativity to make such a beat" then you are a top beatmaker for me...

With the Alchemist, I know if I hear the original sample, I will know exactly how he made that beat...

That's why I am kind of with "Crate Diggers," because they use rare samples to trick us into believing that they actually did something "creative," but when you hear the original song, it's just straight loops...

And because of this realization, I have come to the conclusion that beatmakers like Lex Luger, Young Chop and others who don't use/seldom use samples, and make songs that bang across all forms of hip hop, are actually more talented and creative than the majority of sample based producers...

It's just my opinion...

spoken like a true amateur producer or artist smh...

1) most beats are loops...that has nothing to do with anything creative done within the loops. very few producers are making 2-3 min beats aren't fukking loops. alchemist also frequently adds different elements to different segments so they wouldn't be considered loops

2) most of alchemist beats actually overshadow the artist. many people have been complaining for years that he should work with better artist as well, but he works with the artist he likes which i have to respect

3) who really doesn't have as many "bangers" or big songs as just blaze???

making blockbusters beats has nothing to do with your quality or skill level. everyone has their lane and i'm almost positive if alchemist want to have as many blockbuster beats as many of those producers you named he would, but he's not that type of producer. why should have to be to get the accolades he deserves anyway? he makes a great living off making the type of music he likes. that's one thing you need to another stand about music and art really which very few artist and producers do especially "amateurs" everything piece of art or music has to be appreciated for what it is.

i could argue that many "major league" producers aren't in alchemist lane, especially the young chops, lex lugers, etc. of the world definitely. alchemist could easily do what they do, but they couldn't easily do what he does. you can't even really compare the two anyway. besides, there is nothing creative about simple ass trap beats that are fukking loops too might i add. blockbuster records are forced down the throat of masses so of course they're going to hit the charts or go platinum. that still doesn't mean they're great beats or songs. fans are only one way to really quantify how could something is as you essentially said. quality of music is 100% subjective. plus, in most circles the average person is believed to be a fukking idiot that knows nothing about music or art. i mean look at what sells these days. so most look to their peers or respective people within the industry. so if you want to compare apples to oranges by comparing one of the greatest producers that some might consider "minor league" to lesser "major league" producers that don't even put in as much work or as much quality as alchemist because of the type of music you can. however, if you want to actually compare quality and quantity you can't really name a lot of producers that put in as much quality work as alchemist this year. shyt, he damn near developed a whole new sound with oh no as part of gangrene, but you might not now that because that's "minor league" shyt. as an aspiring producer you really should though

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Just Blaze cheated in that beat battle too by having Jay's LYRICS play over the beats (in a BEAT battle) like that wouldnt sway the crowd towards him

JB is great and deserves to be mentioned with ALC, but he was wrong for that