am I the only person who thinks Jameis Winston is a underrated great QB prospect???
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Tampa D is bad. Bad might not be the best description.
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
I agree
yea breh
get a big lead and let up and depend on your sh!tty defense, thats on lovie for being a idiot
remember the celebration of those ints early on by jameis
media was like i told you so!!!now
they
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Bowen: Jameis Winston is improving fast
Jameis Winston is catching on quickly
Bowen: Jameis Winston is improving fast
Jameis Winston is catching on quickly
Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston is your classic example of a rookie who has been thrown into the fire. In his first four pro starts, Winston turned the ball over eight times (seven interceptions, one fumble) and his Total QBR stood at 35.6 (26th overall). The tape was pretty much what you would expect from a rook. Sure, there were some flashes of potential, but it was surrounded by choppy play and poor decisions.
Welcome to the league, right?
Well, in his past three starts, Winston hasn't turned the ball over once and has posted a total QBR of 83.7 (fourth overall during Weeks 5-8). In fact, after a strong performance in Sunday's overtime win against theAtlanta Falcons, Winston became only the fourth rookie QB in the past 10 seasons to register a QBR of more than 88 in back-to-back weeks, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
The question is, do the numbers mesh with the tape? And has Winston turned a corner as he continues to develop against pro competition? Let's examine why Winston struggled earlier in the season before focusing on his improved play at the position.
The rookie mistakes
In his first four starts, Winston was erratic throwing from the pocket, completing only 54.7 percent of his passes (7.2 yards per attempt), getting sacked eight times and throwing seven interceptions.
Surprised? I wasn't. In fact, this is part of the learning curve, the up-and-down ride the majority of rookie quarterbacks take in the first month of the season. The game is faster (college tape is in slow-motion compared to the pros) and defensive coordinators love to plan for rookie QBs. That means late safety rotations, exotic pressure schemes and window dressing in the secondary to disguise coverages.
That was the game plan from the Carolina Panthers against Winston in Week 4, with cornerback Josh Norman lying in the weeds to steal one from Winston in the flat, and linebacker Thomas Davis robbing the curl. The Panthers -- a legit, proven defense -- forced Winston to read different looks, and they took advantage of balls thrown off target or into coverage. They baited the young kid and exposed his inexperience, as the No. 1 overall pick threw fourinterceptions that day.
This type of defensive philosophy gets amplified even more on third downs. In that four-game set, Winston's numbers on third down were extremely poor. He completed only 51 percent of his passes and threw five picks. His Total QBR? A lowly 8.8. Wow. That's not going to cut it.
In Week 3, with the Bucs protecting a 9-7 lead over the Houston Texans, Winston wanted to throw the backside dig (or square-in) to wide receiverMike Evans on third-and-7 (see diagram below). This is a big play for the rookie at the start of the second half. Extend the drive and get points or make a smart decision and protect the ball.
Quintin Demps rotated down near the line of scrimmage. Winston found the matchup he wanted: Evans aligned against a cornerback, Johnathan Joseph, playing from an off-man position. Hold the free safety in the deep middle and throw the dig, right?
That sounds cool and it works on the chalkboard every time, but Demps played a trail (or "thumbs") technique. It's a weak-side combination look with Joseph playing over the top (like an inverted 2-Man) and Demps trailing Evans on the inside breaking cut. Translation: Winston thought he had his best weapon one-on-one, but instead, Evans ended up double-teamed.
Cameron Brate against a three-deep zone shell.
NFL
With the Falcons playing Cover 3 "Buzz" (strong safety drops as hook defender), Winston must look off (or hold) the free safety in the deep middle of the field to create a throwing window up the seam, which is the weakness in the zone scheme.
That's why we see Winston putting his eyes to the opposite side of the field. This allows him to manipulate the deep safety while creating time for Brate to clear the underneath defenders.
Once Winston knows he has held the deep safety long enough, he can bring his eyes back to the play side of the formation and deliver a rope over the top of the underneath hook defender. The touchdown was all created by his eye movement.
NFL
Maybe the game is starting to slow down a little bit for Winston. That should be expected, with more opportunities to make corrections off the tape. He's managing the pocket with better awareness, working through his progressions at a quicker rate (less panic) and taking fewer risks with the ball -- all of which speaks well to his growth as a passer.
Managing expectations
Even with Winston's Total QBR on the rise, we have to be realistic as he nears the midway point of the season. Yeah, the turnovers are down, but we know there are more coming. The tape, while showing he has improved drastically when compared to Weeks 1-4, is far from complete. Winston will still sail the ball on the seam route at times and miss targets because of inconsistent mechanics. Remember, he's a rookie playing the toughest position in all of sports.
But coach Lovie Smith and the Bucs' front office have to be encouraged. Even if Winston suddenly stumbles and his numbers start to trend downward again, he has shown the ability to make plays in critical game situations. That's a great thing for any rookie, especially one that has to lead a team at the quarterback position.
Welcome to the league, right?
Well, in his past three starts, Winston hasn't turned the ball over once and has posted a total QBR of 83.7 (fourth overall during Weeks 5-8). In fact, after a strong performance in Sunday's overtime win against theAtlanta Falcons, Winston became only the fourth rookie QB in the past 10 seasons to register a QBR of more than 88 in back-to-back weeks, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
The question is, do the numbers mesh with the tape? And has Winston turned a corner as he continues to develop against pro competition? Let's examine why Winston struggled earlier in the season before focusing on his improved play at the position.
The rookie mistakes
In his first four starts, Winston was erratic throwing from the pocket, completing only 54.7 percent of his passes (7.2 yards per attempt), getting sacked eight times and throwing seven interceptions.
Surprised? I wasn't. In fact, this is part of the learning curve, the up-and-down ride the majority of rookie quarterbacks take in the first month of the season. The game is faster (college tape is in slow-motion compared to the pros) and defensive coordinators love to plan for rookie QBs. That means late safety rotations, exotic pressure schemes and window dressing in the secondary to disguise coverages.
That was the game plan from the Carolina Panthers against Winston in Week 4, with cornerback Josh Norman lying in the weeds to steal one from Winston in the flat, and linebacker Thomas Davis robbing the curl. The Panthers -- a legit, proven defense -- forced Winston to read different looks, and they took advantage of balls thrown off target or into coverage. They baited the young kid and exposed his inexperience, as the No. 1 overall pick threw fourinterceptions that day.
This type of defensive philosophy gets amplified even more on third downs. In that four-game set, Winston's numbers on third down were extremely poor. He completed only 51 percent of his passes and threw five picks. His Total QBR? A lowly 8.8. Wow. That's not going to cut it.
In Week 3, with the Bucs protecting a 9-7 lead over the Houston Texans, Winston wanted to throw the backside dig (or square-in) to wide receiverMike Evans on third-and-7 (see diagram below). This is a big play for the rookie at the start of the second half. Extend the drive and get points or make a smart decision and protect the ball.
Quintin Demps rotated down near the line of scrimmage. Winston found the matchup he wanted: Evans aligned against a cornerback, Johnathan Joseph, playing from an off-man position. Hold the free safety in the deep middle and throw the dig, right?
That sounds cool and it works on the chalkboard every time, but Demps played a trail (or "thumbs") technique. It's a weak-side combination look with Joseph playing over the top (like an inverted 2-Man) and Demps trailing Evans on the inside breaking cut. Translation: Winston thought he had his best weapon one-on-one, but instead, Evans ended up double-teamed.
Cameron Brate against a three-deep zone shell.
NFL
With the Falcons playing Cover 3 "Buzz" (strong safety drops as hook defender), Winston must look off (or hold) the free safety in the deep middle of the field to create a throwing window up the seam, which is the weakness in the zone scheme.
That's why we see Winston putting his eyes to the opposite side of the field. This allows him to manipulate the deep safety while creating time for Brate to clear the underneath defenders.
Once Winston knows he has held the deep safety long enough, he can bring his eyes back to the play side of the formation and deliver a rope over the top of the underneath hook defender. The touchdown was all created by his eye movement.
NFL
Maybe the game is starting to slow down a little bit for Winston. That should be expected, with more opportunities to make corrections off the tape. He's managing the pocket with better awareness, working through his progressions at a quicker rate (less panic) and taking fewer risks with the ball -- all of which speaks well to his growth as a passer.
Managing expectations
Even with Winston's Total QBR on the rise, we have to be realistic as he nears the midway point of the season. Yeah, the turnovers are down, but we know there are more coming. The tape, while showing he has improved drastically when compared to Weeks 1-4, is far from complete. Winston will still sail the ball on the seam route at times and miss targets because of inconsistent mechanics. Remember, he's a rookie playing the toughest position in all of sports.
But coach Lovie Smith and the Bucs' front office have to be encouraged. Even if Winston suddenly stumbles and his numbers start to trend downward again, he has shown the ability to make plays in critical game situations. That's a great thing for any rookie, especially one that has to lead a team at the quarterback position.
Sorry ass ESPN wouldn't even make this a free article on the main page. Made it an Insider article.
Bowen: Jameis Winston is improving fast
Jameis Winston is catching on quickly
Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston is your classic example of a rookie who has been thrown into the fire. In his first four pro starts, Winston turned the ball over eight times (seven interceptions, one fumble) and his Total QBR stood at 35.6 (26th overall). The tape was pretty much what you would expect from a rook. Sure, there were some flashes of potential, but it was surrounded by choppy play and poor decisions.
Welcome to the league, right?
Well, in his past three starts, Winston hasn't turned the ball over once and has posted a total QBR of 83.7 (fourth overall during Weeks 5-8). In fact, after a strong performance in Sunday's overtime win against theAtlanta Falcons, Winston became only the fourth rookie QB in the past 10 seasons to register a QBR of more than 88 in back-to-back weeks, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
The question is, do the numbers mesh with the tape? And has Winston turned a corner as he continues to develop against pro competition? Let's examine why Winston struggled earlier in the season before focusing on his improved play at the position.
The rookie mistakes
In his first four starts, Winston was erratic throwing from the pocket, completing only 54.7 percent of his passes (7.2 yards per attempt), getting sacked eight times and throwing seven interceptions.
Surprised? I wasn't. In fact, this is part of the learning curve, the up-and-down ride the majority of rookie quarterbacks take in the first month of the season. The game is faster (college tape is in slow-motion compared to the pros) and defensive coordinators love to plan for rookie QBs. That means late safety rotations, exotic pressure schemes and window dressing in the secondary to disguise coverages.
That was the game plan from the Carolina Panthers against Winston in Week 4, with cornerback Josh Norman lying in the weeds to steal one from Winston in the flat, and linebacker Thomas Davis robbing the curl. The Panthers -- a legit, proven defense -- forced Winston to read different looks, and they took advantage of balls thrown off target or into coverage. They baited the young kid and exposed his inexperience, as the No. 1 overall pick threw fourinterceptions that day.
This type of defensive philosophy gets amplified even more on third downs. In that four-game set, Winston's numbers on third down were extremely poor. He completed only 51 percent of his passes and threw five picks. His Total QBR? A lowly 8.8. Wow. That's not going to cut it.
In Week 3, with the Bucs protecting a 9-7 lead over the Houston Texans, Winston wanted to throw the backside dig (or square-in) to wide receiverMike Evans on third-and-7 (see diagram below). This is a big play for the rookie at the start of the second half. Extend the drive and get points or make a smart decision and protect the ball.
Quintin Demps rotated down near the line of scrimmage. Winston found the matchup he wanted: Evans aligned against a cornerback, Johnathan Joseph, playing from an off-man position. Hold the free safety in the deep middle and throw the dig, right?
That sounds cool and it works on the chalkboard every time, but Demps played a trail (or "thumbs") technique. It's a weak-side combination look with Joseph playing over the top (like an inverted 2-Man) and Demps trailing Evans on the inside breaking cut. Translation: Winston thought he had his best weapon one-on-one, but instead, Evans ended up double-teamed.
Cameron Brate against a three-deep zone shell.
NFL
With the Falcons playing Cover 3 "Buzz" (strong safety drops as hook defender), Winston must look off (or hold) the free safety in the deep middle of the field to create a throwing window up the seam, which is the weakness in the zone scheme.
That's why we see Winston putting his eyes to the opposite side of the field. This allows him to manipulate the deep safety while creating time for Brate to clear the underneath defenders.
Once Winston knows he has held the deep safety long enough, he can bring his eyes back to the play side of the formation and deliver a rope over the top of the underneath hook defender. The touchdown was all created by his eye movement.
NFL
Maybe the game is starting to slow down a little bit for Winston. That should be expected, with more opportunities to make corrections off the tape. He's managing the pocket with better awareness, working through his progressions at a quicker rate (less panic) and taking fewer risks with the ball -- all of which speaks well to his growth as a passer.
Managing expectations
Even with Winston's Total QBR on the rise, we have to be realistic as he nears the midway point of the season. Yeah, the turnovers are down, but we know there are more coming. The tape, while showing he has improved drastically when compared to Weeks 1-4, is far from complete. Winston will still sail the ball on the seam route at times and miss targets because of inconsistent mechanics. Remember, he's a rookie playing the toughest position in all of sports.
But coach Lovie Smith and the Bucs' front office have to be encouraged. Even if Winston suddenly stumbles and his numbers start to trend downward again, he has shown the ability to make plays in critical game situations. That's a great thing for any rookie, especially one that has to lead a team at the quarterback position.
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