American Kids Can't Do Math Anymore

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American Kids Can't Do Math Anymore


For the past several years, America has been using its young people as lab rats in a sweeping, if not exactly thought-out, education experiment. Schools across the country have been lowering standards and removing penalties for failure. The results are coming into focus.

Five years ago, about 30 incoming freshmen at UC San Diego arrived with math skills below high-school level. Now, according to a recent report from UC San Diego faculty and administrators, that number is more than 900 -- and most of those students don't fully meet middle-school math standards. Many students struggle with fractions and simple algebra problems. Last year, the university, which admits fewer than 30 percent of undergraduate applicants, launched a remedial-math course that focuses entirely on concepts taught in elementary and middle school. (According to the report, more than 60 percent of students who took the previous version of the course couldn't divide a fraction by two.) One of the course's tutors noted that students faced more issues with "logical thinking" than with math facts per se. They didn't know how to begin solving word problems.

The university's problems are extreme, but they are not unique. Over the past five years, all of the other University of California campuses, including UC Berkeley and UCLA, have seen the number of first-years who are unprepared for precalculus double or triple. George Mason University, in Virginia, revamped its remedial-math summer program in 2023 after students began arriving at their calculus course unable to do algebra, the math-department chair, Maria Emelianenko, told me.

"We call it quantitative literacy, just knowing which fraction is larger or smaller, that the slope is positive when it is going up," Janine Wilson, the chair of the undergraduate economics program at UC Davis, told me. "Things like that are just kind of in our bones when we are college ready. We are just seeing many folks without that capability."

Part of what's happening here is that as more students choose STEM majors, more of them are being funneled into introductory math courses during their freshman year. But the national trend is very clear: America's students are getting much worse at math. The decline started about a decade ago and sharply accelerated during the coronavirus pandemic. The average eighth grader's math skills, which rose steadily from 1990 to 2013, are now a full school year behind where they were in 2013, according to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, the gold standard for tracking academic achievement. Students in the bottom tenth percentile have fallen even further behind. Only the top 10 percent have recovered to 2013 levels.
 

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(According to the report, more than 60 percent of students who took the previous version of the course couldn't divide a fraction by two.)

UC is the public college system, correct?

Don't they make the incoming kids take placement exams? And then pre-semester coursework in the Summer as needed?

Another part doesnt add up to me. These STEM major kids are applying to and getting accepted into the Engineering/Science colleges at these schools? How?
 

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Those remedial courses cost EXTRA money btw lol smh

This has been bubbling in educational circles for some time. Hopefully it'll reach a broader audience

Popular discourse on education typically doesn't go too far beyond stereotypes about particular demographics .

That excerpt doesn't highlight that these failures even apply to well performing students...well performing (on paper) within certain schools and districts at least. The people are gonna need something other than a mindless "value education " trope to hurl at these outcomes as this shyt is much more layered than the disposition of individuals and individual families.

You cant even take for granted that your child's high school and elementary instructor is even credentialed let along competent to teach the subject at hand. ESPECIALLY if its math.
 
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Another part doesnt add up to me. These STEM major kids are applying to and getting accepted into the Engineering/Science colleges at these schools? How?

Because they get good grades throughout their K-12 education without actually having to learn anything.

Teachers have figured out that they have to just hand their students good grades or else they will get blamed.
 

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why do they need to :yeshrug:

you need to know the multiplication table in your head up to about 12, basic fractions/percentages. real-world mental math

and then what? aren't we past pretending phones and computers aren't doing everything else, in 2025? :dead:
 
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why do they need to :yeshrug:

you need to know the multiplication table up to about 12, and then what? aren't we past pretending phones and computers aren't doing everything? :dead:

You are a fukking moron.

Math isn't about doing arithmetic.
 

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I just said math isn't about arithmetic. Can you not read?
i read 0/0 of your post
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why do they need to :yeshrug:

you need to know the multiplication table in your head up to about 12, basic fractions/percentages. real-world mental math

and then what? aren't we past pretending phones and computers aren't doing everything, in 2025? :dead:
I feel like math is deeper than that, I think it really helps develop overall thinking and problem solving skills

I can’t even think of another subject that challenges students to that extent, science is just math in a different context, language and reading classes maybe but I still think it doesn’t match up to how math can work
 

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That's sad...:francis:Problem is that bullshyt common core math bullshyt. that's the issue.
 
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I feel like math is deeper than that, I think it really helps develop overall thinking and problem solving skills

I can’t even think of another subject that challenges students to that extent, science is just math in a different context, language and reading classes maybe but I still think it doesn’t match up to how math can work
of course you're right. but i'm just asking, frankly, at what point can we allow ourselves to be realistic that we really don't have to teach kids some of this shyt anymore :yeshrug:

it's not like the AI convo is going in any other direction at this point
 

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of course you're right. but i'm just asking, frankly, at what point can we allow ourselves to be realistic that we really don't have to teach kids some of this shyt anymore :yeshrug:

it's not like the AI convo is going in any other direction at this point
Idk , i feel like everyone should be introduced to calculus

It’s too many people who scared or claim to not like math, I think that should change at the very least
 

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Mathematics is about reasoning. The reason our society is trash is because people lack basic reasoning skills.
 
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