An Afro - Venezuelan takes on their country reperations, and what terms they preferred black or Afro

[The Solid One]

A central debate internal to the Afro-Venezuelan movement, and which was even evident in the recent Afro-Venezuelan chapter of the Homeland Congress, has been the debate over the terminology of self-identification. Most specifically, the terms “Black” vs. “Afro-descendent”. Can you elaborate on this debate?

Certainly. I subscribe to the position of “Afro-descendent”, which is also the position of the Venezuelan state. Let’s not forget that the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is signed up to the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action, a legal document which legitimises the term “Afro-descendent” as an expression which restores the dignity of the heirs of the transatlantic slave trade. Let’s remember that article 23. of the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela grants constitutional status to international human rights treaties and agreements, such as the case in point. The Venezuelan state recognizes Afro-descendents. Using the term Black is pejorative and was designed to bestialize/objectify men and women kidnapped from Africa and subsequently enslaved in the new continent. In this sense, it would be extremely difficult to give new meaning to, or recognize an expression which has such vile origins. It was this logic which led the social movements present in the III World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South-Africa, to recognize the sons and daughters of the African diaspora, not as “Blacks”, the colonial code for domination, but as “Afro-descendents,” a civilizational proposal for humanity.

 

[The Solid One]

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[IllmaticDelta]

interesting

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Pretty interesting.

@Captain_Crunch

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Very interesting indeed.

 

[The Solid One]

nikkas everywhere giving up their indigenous status for Africa

 

[IllmaticDelta]

nikkas everywhere giving up their indigenous status for Africa

 

[Everythingg]

I was gonna let the "trolling" tag slide but fukk it Im pullin up

How is it "trolling" to suggest that black people have land rights to America? Every single black person? No. But there are black people who were here before any cac was. So who is it to them to call themselves Americans while telling black Americans to call themselves african American? If a white south African came to America what title is he going to be given? What about the arab Egyptian? Moroccan?

This is a black website yet you can get trolling tags for saying that theres black people indigenous to other lands along with Africa? Someone make it make sense

 

[Secure Da Bag]

How is it "trolling" to suggest that black people have land rights to America? Every single black person? No. But there are black people who were here before any cac was.

Whether that black person came here in 1500AD or 1500BC, they still came here from Africa. Plus, those Afro-Venezuleans aren't giving up their land rights or indigenous status at all. What's the data on how many of those Afro-Venezuelans were descended from people that were here prior to 1492.

 

[frush11]

I was gonna let the "trolling" tag slide but fukk it Im pullin up

How is it "trolling" to suggest that black people have land rights to America? Every single black person? No. But there are black people who were here before any cac was. So who is it to them to call themselves Americans while telling black Americans to call themselves african American? If a white south African came to America what title is he going to be given? What about the arab Egyptian? Moroccan?

This is a black website yet you can get trolling tags for saying that theres black people indigenous to other lands along with Africa? Someone make it make sense

Cause we not

 

[Everythingg]

Whether that black person came here in 1500AD or 1500BC, they still came here from Africa.

Well with your "everyone is out of Africa" THEORY, doesnt that apply to every group of people? So why is it when we see black people in America, Asia or Europe they get pushed back to being called African yet when we see Native Americans in America they dont get pushed back to Africa too? Or the modern European? Modern Asian?

How come ONLY black people get pushed back to Africa no matter where they're found if we're ALL from Africa?

Plus, those Afro-Venezuleans aren't giving up their land rights or indigenous status at all. What's the data on how many of those Afro-Venezuelans were descended from people that were here prior to 1492.

I was speaking in general breh not just Venezuelans. In the US you got Afro Americans. Mexico, Afro Mexicans. Brazil, Afro Brazilians. Colombia, Afro Colombians etc... All of them are being pushed to being from Africa. And Im against that not Africa/Africans....

 

[Everythingg]

Cause we not

You speaking for yourself on that bruh

 

[Secure Da Bag]

yet when we see Native Americans in America they dont get pushed back to Africa too?

Because they get pushed back to Asia.

It's not that black people can't be Native American or indigenious to this land. It's simply like how the Asian settled in North America long before 1500, the African settled in North America as well.

 

[Everythingg]

Because they get pushed back to Asia.

It's not that black people can't be Native American or indigenious to this land. It's simply like how the Asian settled in North America long before 1500, the African settled in North America as well.

We classify the "Asian" that settled in North America "Native American" while you call everyone black in America, "African". We call the white European, European despite the belief that everyone, including him, came from Africa. We call the Asian, Asian, despite the same belief. All Im saying is that the OLDEST depictions in ALL of these places show black people being there. So if ANYONE is to be called "American", "Asian", "European" it should be black people. Not pushing EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON to Africa and then letting these other races that came LATER have the lands...

And nikkas call that stance "trolling"?

 

[Captain Crunch]

Pretty interesting.

@Captain_Crunch

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