Analyzing Twenty Years Of First Round QBs Not Selected First Overall

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From 1994 to 2013, there were 37 quarterbacks drafted in the first round of the NFL draft who were *not* selected with the first overall pick. Why am I looking at those quarterbacks? Well, passers selected with the first overall pick are a special case, distinct from all other quarterbacks. The odds of success are much higher there than elsewhere, as you will soon find out.

And why those years? Well, it’s too early to grade the recent draft classes, and that arguably includes the 2014 class. But if we were to include the 2014 class, I suspect we would have three picks that go down as bad ones: Blake Bortles at #3, Johnny Manziel at #22, and Teddy Bridgewater at #32. We know that Manziel was a terrible pick, and the balance of the evidence suggests that Bortles (21-40 career record) and Bridgewater (28 starts in four years) have failed to live up to expectations. But to avoid debating those guys, I decided to look at the 20-year period ending just before the class of 2014.

How did those 37 quarterbacks fare? A whopping 16 of them won fewer than 20 games in the NFL:

Jim Druckenmiller
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
Ryan Leaf
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weeden
EJ Manuel
Heath Shuler
Matt Leinart
Tim Tebow
Jake Locker
J.P. Losman
Patrick Ramsey
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Robert Griffin

Another three — Joey Harrington, 26-50 (-24), Jason Campbell, 32-47 (-15), and Josh Freeman, 25-36 (-11) — lost at least ten more games than they won and never made a Pro Bowl. Another three — Vince Young, Kyle Boller, and Rex Grossman — had more interceptions than touchdowns and started for four or fewer seasons. Those three were busts, too, giving us 22 out of 37 picks that go down as clearly disappointing (59%).

There are seven quarterbacks (19%) who were clear hits, winning 20 more games than they lost:

Ben Roethlisberger, 135-63 (72)
Aaron Rodgers, 94-48 (46)
Donovan McNabb, 98-62 (36)
Matt Ryan, 95-63 (32)
Joe Flacco, 92-62 (30)
Steve McNair, 91-62 (29)
Philip Rivers, 106-86 (20)

That leaves eight quarterbacks. Byron Leftwich, Mark Sanchez, and Trent Dilfer could charitably be described as better than your average first round (non-first overall) quarterback, although Leftwich was a starter for just 3 seasons and Sanchez and Dilfer own two of the worst era-adjusted passer ratings of all time. If you include those three as disappointments, that brings the miss rate to just over two-thirds of all passers (25 out of 37).

So with 25 disappointments and 7 hits, that leaves a middle ground of 5 passers. Chad Pennington is your #8 quarterback: he’s the best of the rest, although he finished with a 44-37 record that keeps him far short of the +20 win club. After that, it’s dealer’s choice how you want to rank Ryan Tannehill, Daunte Culpepper, Kerry Collins, and Jay Cutler. But just know that two of those guys are in the top 10 of the 37 non-first overall first round quarterbacks from this 20-year sample. The median expectation might be a guy like Campbell, while even the 67th percentile result could land you a Tannehill.

In short: if the quarterback isn’t the first overall pick, the odds are still pretty poor of landing a star. The hit rate is about 20%.
 

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For some reason teams seem to forget how dependent the QB position is in regards to talent around them and coaching, a position so dependent on everything around them should really be decided on last and not be the first choice when everything else is bad on that team.
 

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That's why it's such a valued position. Hard to find decent to good guys.

Circumstances have to be right, talent has to be just right, situation in front office/coaching has to be right...


That's why it amazes me that they didn't wanna try brothas for the position for so long. We brought another dimension to the position, but they still want blg, white, statues.

I say build the roster up first, THEN go get ya QB, not the other way around that we've been seeing done for decades! Cats listen to Kiper and McShay like they actually know anything. The stuff I heard them say about Losman, Quinn, Tebow, Ramsey and Gabbert were ad nauseum of how great they were and were going to be...SMH only to see their careers now

Major overhaul coming at that position soon tho...watch...More of the Russell Wilson types
 

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That's why it's such a valued position. Hard to find decent to good guys.

Circumstances have to be right, talent has to be just right, situation in front office/coaching has to be right...


That's why it amazes me that they didn't wanna try brothas for the position for so long. We brought another dimension to the position, but they still want blg, white, statues.

I say build the roster up first, THEN go get ya QB, not the other way around that we've been seeing done for decades! Cats listen to Kiper and McShay like they actually know anything. The stuff I heard them say about Losman, Quinn, Tebow, Ramsey and Gabbert were ad nauseum of how great they were and were going to be...SMH only to see their careers now

Major overhaul coming at that position soon tho...watch...More of the Russell Wilson types


There may be an overhaul at the position in regards to more Russell Wilson but I also think there is finally a shift in how they value the position, the move the Browns made in terms of adding a veteran day 1 starter was unique and add to the fact that the Giants decided to keep Eli and Jacksonville keep Bortles, teams don't seem as anxious to go after these QBs the same way they did say 5 years ago, they seem to figure they at least need to give their number 1 QB picks time to sit on the sideline, like it use to be. It can almost be seen as career suicide if any coach is tied to a rookie QB now. They seem to be getting more cautious, it appears that way.
 

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Been saying this to the "you have to jump up and get a qb in the 1st round" crowd.
Most those cats end up being trash too.

But the percentages are still higher then the later rounds

Just because a Brady was drafted in the 6th round doesn't mean you wait till then. The odds are pretty astronomical

The top 5 qbs of the decade were all first rounders

Brady,Manning,Rodgers,Big Ben, Brees
 

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It's like some of these teams act like there's a gun to their heads to pick a qb in the first round. Like this year it's like they are forcing these players up draftboards
 

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There may be an overhaul at the position in regards to more Russell Wilson but I also think there is finally a shift in how they value the position, the move the Browns made in terms of adding a veteran day 1 starter was unique and add to the fact that the Giants decided to keep Eli and Jacksonville keep Bortles, teams don't seem as anxious to go after these QBs the same way they did say 5 years ago, they seem to figure they at least need to give their number 1 QB picks time to sit on the sideline, like it use to be. It can almost be seen as career suicide if any coach is tied to a rookie QB now. They seem to be getting more cautious, it appears that way.

That's only because there's no sure fire franchise qb in this draft they all have flaws

If there was one no way in hell he wouldn't go first
 

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qb is the most team dependent position in all of sports

if anything they should be rushing to pick the uber.athlete qb that can work miracles

instead they will spend bread on flat.footed euros time after time

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But the percentages are still higher then the later rounds

Just because a Brady was drafted in the 6th round doesn't mean you wait till then. The odds are pretty astronomical

The top 5 qbs of the decade were all first rounders

Brady,Manning,Rodgers,Big Ben, Brees

Who gets more chances to prove themselves a 1st rounder or 3rd?
I'm not saying don't draft a QB in the 1st round I'm more of talking about talent level a lot of these QBs are 2nd 3rd round talents. It's probably a sure 2 1st round talent QBs a year yet teams jumping up and stressing and stretching to draft a guy way above where a guy his talent level should be taken.
 

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Who gets more chances to prove themselves a 1st rounder or 3rd?
I'm not saying don't draft a QB in the 1st round I'm more of talking about talent level a lot of these QBs are 2nd 3rd round talents. It's probably a sure 2 1st round talent QBs a year yet teams jumping up and stressing and stretching to draft a guy way above where a guy his talent level should be taken.

I totally agree that some guys get over drafted but I still would prefer to draft my qb in the first round then the later rounds just don't reach in the first for a guy who wasn't even very good in college I.e. Christian Ponder EJ Manuel
 

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That's only because there's no sure fire franchise qb in this draft they all have flaws

If there was one no way in hell he wouldn't go first
Darnold was suppose to be the greatest thing since Andrew Luck. Throwing some picks shouldn't have soured their opinion on him this much, if anything a sure fire franchise QB has probably has tougher criteria now for most teams.
 

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Darnold was suppose to be the greatest thing since Andrew Luck. Throwing some picks shouldn't have soured their opinion on him this much, if anything a sure fire franchise QB has probably has tougher criteria now for most teams.

Darnolds ability and combine numbers don't match Lucks at all. Luck had the highest rating since Elway
 
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