Angie Martinez: Nas v Jay Z

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When Flex debuted "Super Ugly" on the radio, he played it and "Ether" all night back-to-back over and over. The phone lines were going crazy; people were eating it up. Not only in New York, but we were getting calls from all over the country

At this point Flex wanted to make sure that we made the most of this moment and that, as a station, we owned it: "We're gonna bring Battle of the Beats back, Ang!!!! We're gonna let the city decide who wins this!!! And we're gonna do it on your show tomorrow!"

My show? Why?! Flex said my voice was one of authority, and the contest could start at night with his show and could go into the day and end with me in the afternoons when I would announce the winner. The thought made me uncomfortable, but Flex convinced me that with Power looking to capture our audience it was important to remind people that if it happens in hip-hop, it happens here. And he reminded me if we didn't do it, someone else would. So I agreed. Although I didn't know how the vote was going to go, you could feel the Nas wave building

In all this, Nas was being portrayed as the real MC, the underdog. What I've noticed in our culture is that everybody roots for the underdog, myself included. The only thing about the underdog theory that bothers me is for some reason we feel the need to knock somebody down to build someone else up. In general, this is something that has always irritated the shyt out of me. It's such a terrible, dysfunctional way to treat anyone successful who comes from where we come from. I have always made it a point not to subscribe to that mentality. We should celebrate success and be inspired by it, even while we're championing someone new. But nobody wants to hear that shyt when you're in the middle of a battle

We sat there and hand-counted the votes until the winner was clear—sixty percent of our listeners chose "Ether" over "Super Ugly." As much as it irritated me to hear the venom toward Jay, I agreed that "Ether" was the better of the two records. I'm literally getting ready to announce the winner when I look into the hallway of the station and see Jay Z walking into my studio. "And the winner is 'Ether.'" I had to deliver Jay that blow while he was standing right there

To say he was uncomfortable is an understatement. I couldn't really figure out why he'd agreed to be interviewed in this moment. But evidently he had been under pressure. Like I said, a lot of people felt he had gone too far. Even his mother felt that way. She was the one who suggested that he apologize for getting a woman and a child involved by even mentioning them

I can see him sitting there like it was yesterday—defeated. I had never seen him like that before. He's somebody who's always so big and confident. And I hated to see him down. This is a friend, and I was a part of the machinery that brought him to this point

After the interview, we walked outside the studio to talk alone. "Yo," I said. "Are we okay?"

"Of course. I don't blame you for this," he said. "This was just something that you kind of got sucked into. I'm clear. It's cool."

Angie Martinez – Jay Z vs Nas (Excerpt from My Voice) Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
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That Hov interview remains one of the most awkward things I've ever seen in hip hop lmao
 

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When Flex debuted "Super Ugly" on the radio, he played it and "Ether" all night back-to-back over and over. The phone lines were going crazy; people were eating it up. Not only in New York, but we were getting calls from all over the country


Let dumb ass fukks from other parts of the country who were no older than 8 at the time tell it only NY cared about this battle:stopitslime:


fukking idiots:snoop:
 

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How can ANYBODY with any semblance of emotional intelligence think that Jay Z won that rap beef, especially when listening to Jay Z DEFEATED on that Angie Martinez interview?

I will play Takeover before Ether 100% of the time, but at the same time, I know that Ether is the MOST vicious record of the two...This is someone you stanned telling you "you ain't sh@t"...

In ANY profession, that sh@t is DEMORALIZING...Ether was written SPECIFICALLY for Jay Z, and it doesn't matter if you like it as a song or not, the fact is that it "BURNED" Jay Z and he himself admitted it...

There is just NO WAY somebody who understands relationships can say the effects of Ether were not more potent than Takeover and Super Ugly...

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How can ANYBODY with any semblance of emotional intelligence think that Jay Z won that rap beef, especially when listening to Jay Z DEFEATED on that Angie Martinez interview?

I will play Takeover before Ether 100% of the time, but at the same time, I know that Ether is the MOST vicious record of the two...This is someone you stanned telling you "you ain't sh@t"...

In ANY profession, that sh@t is DEMORALIZING...Ether was written SPECIFICALLY for Jay Z, and it doesn't matter if you like it as a song or not, the fact is that it "BURNED" Jay Z and he himself admitted it...

There is just NO WAY somebody who understands relationships can say the effects of Ether were not more potent than Takeover and Super Ugly...

:krs:

Ether is better than Super Ugly, no question about it....As a 14 year old at the time when this was going on, I was riding for Nas and thought Ether was the better diss....as an adult, especially since hindsight is 20/20, Ether was almost a pyrrhic victory - he knocked Muhammad Ali down but Jay got back up and went on to be an even bigger success....Also, takeover was just one verse that Nas needed a whole 3 verse song to reply to and it wasn't even filled with facts, it was the equivalent of schoolyard disses (with some great punchlines tho) while Takeover was echoing exactly what every hiphop head was saying about Nas at the time...at 29 years old, i kind of have them neck and neck.....the thing ppl forget it is, that radio battle of jams was between Ether and Super Ugly, not Ether and Takeover, so of course Ether won....I will give it to Nas stans (begrudgingly) , Jay was HURT and at the time, it looked like he lost....but now, Nas is not even close to Jay's level
 

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When Flex debuted "Super Ugly" on the radio, he played it and "Ether" all night back-to-back over and over. The phone lines were going crazy; people were eating it up. Not only in New York, but we were getting calls from all over the country

At this point Flex wanted to make sure that we made the most of this moment and that, as a station, we owned it: "We're gonna bring Battle of the Beats back, Ang!!!! We're gonna let the city decide who wins this!!! And we're gonna do it on your show tomorrow!"

My show? Why?! Flex said my voice was one of authority, and the contest could start at night with his show and could go into the day and end with me in the afternoons when I would announce the winner. The thought made me uncomfortable, but Flex convinced me that with Power looking to capture our audience it was important to remind people that if it happens in hip-hop, it happens here. And he reminded me if we didn't do it, someone else would. So I agreed. Although I didn't know how the vote was going to go, you could feel the Nas wave building

In all this, Nas was being portrayed as the real MC, the underdog. What I've noticed in our culture is that everybody roots for the underdog, myself included. The only thing about the underdog theory that bothers me is for some reason we feel the need to knock somebody down to build someone else up. In general, this is something that has always irritated the shyt out of me. It's such a terrible, dysfunctional way to treat anyone successful who comes from where we come from. I have always made it a point not to subscribe to that mentality. We should celebrate success and be inspired by it, even while we're championing someone new. But nobody wants to hear that shyt when you're in the middle of a battle

We sat there and hand-counted the votes until the winner was clear—sixty percent of our listeners chose "Ether" over "Super Ugly." As much as it irritated me to hear the venom toward Jay, I agreed that "Ether" was the better of the two records. I'm literally getting ready to announce the winner when I look into the hallway of the station and see Jay Z walking into my studio. "And the winner is 'Ether.'" I had to deliver Jay that blow while he was standing right there

To say he was uncomfortable is an understatement. I couldn't really figure out why he'd agreed to be interviewed in this moment. But evidently he had been under pressure. Like I said, a lot of people felt he had gone too far. Even his mother felt that way. She was the one who suggested that he apologize for getting a woman and a child involved by even mentioning them

I can see him sitting there like it was yesterday—defeated. I had never seen him like that before. He's somebody who's always so big and confident. And I hated to see him down. This is a friend, and I was a part of the machinery that brought him to this point

After the interview, we walked outside the studio to talk alone. "Yo," I said. "Are we okay?"

"Of course. I don't blame you for this," he said. "This was just something that you kind of got sucked into. I'm clear. It's cool."

Angie Martinez – Jay Z vs Nas (Excerpt from My Voice) Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
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That Hov interview remains one of the most awkward things I've ever seen in hip hop lmao
She wrote this passage full of heartbreak like the true jigga stan she is :mjcry:
 

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Ether is better than Super Ugly, no question about it....As a 14 year old at the time when this was going on, I was riding for Nas and thought Ether was the better diss....as an adult, especially since hindsight is 20/20, Ether was almost a pyrrhic victory - he knocked Muhammad Ali down but Jay got back up and went on to be an even bigger success....Also, takeover was just one verse that Nas needed a whole 3 verse song to reply to and it wasn't even filled with facts, it was the equivalent of schoolyard disses (with some great punchlines tho) while Takeover was echoing exactly what every hiphop head was saying about Nas at the time...at 29 years old, i kind of have them neck and neck.....the thing ppl forget it is, that radio battle of jams was between Ether and Super Ugly, not Ether and Takeover, so of course Ether one....I will give it to Nas stans (begrudgingly) , Jay was HURT and at the time, it looked like he lost....but now, Nas is not even close to Jay's level
Both them shyt's was filled with opinions. nikkas need to stop with this rhetoric. It's bullshyt. "Hip hop heads". nikka the streets was fukkin wit both IWW and I Am heavy. Jay himself said his opinions didn't echo what he said on the record. He was tryna play to the public perception. And it backfired. Cause Nas went straight at the nikka neck. I don't wanna hear that "only one verse" shyt. Jay had 2 more diss songs towards Nas after Takeover. That European Hov shyt. And Super Ugly. And STILL couldn't get the job done.
 
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