Another Wu thread. What year do y’all think The RZA should’ve released The Cure?

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Personally my Wu answers are all the same: it should have dropped within a year or two of Wu Tang Forever and the Rage tour. Hitting that apex, getting white boys (and girls) across the globe to rap your lyrics and talk about mathematics...I'm still blown away they didn't capitalize off that wave again. Sure perhaps they never would match Forever commercially but a Rae album in 1997 is going plat. The Cure is going plat in 1997. Easy.
 

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I'd say 97-98. Stuff like 12 Jewelz off the 2nd Gravediggaz album is the type of rhyming I wanted to hear from him if he were to ever do The Cure LP forreal and he was in a zone in that era
I think 97 2nd half would have been the best for him around November or December. Early 98 would have been fine but remember he was on his way to Digital then soon after so maybe it would not have been prime Rza so to speak. As soon as the Digi era passed that was a wrap and I think that came out around November or so in 98. Damn shame I always waited for that album ever since it was mentioned as coming this year in The Source (That was 97).
 
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Personally my Wu answers are all the same: it should have dropped within a year or two of Wu Tang Forever and the Rage tour. Hitting that apex, getting white boys (and girls) across the globe to rap your lyrics and talk about mathematics...I'm still blown away they didn't capitalize off that wave again. Sure perhaps they never would match Forever commercially but a Rae album in 1997 is going plat. The Cure is going plat in 1997. Easy.

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I'd say 97-98. Stuff like 12 Jewelz off the 2nd Gravediggaz album is the type of rhyming I wanted to hear from him if he were to ever do The Cure LP forreal and he was in a zone in that era

Yeah, his song 12 Jewelz and verses on The Pick, the Sickle and the Shovel are what I always said his Cure album should’ve been like


I think 97 2nd half would have been the best for him around November or December. Early 98 would have been fine but remember he was on his way to Digital then soon after so maybe it would not have been prime Rza so to speak. As soon as the Digi era passed that was a wrap and I think that came out around November or so in 98. Damn shame I always waited for that album ever since it was mentioned as coming this year in The Source (That was 97).

Yup

It’s a shame he didn’t drop it in 97’

He would’ve had

Wu Forever
The Pick, the Sickle, and the Shovel
The Cure


And I think if they would’ve stayed on the tour with Rage would’ve helped too
 
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Wish we would've gotten a true RZA solo (no bobby digital shyt) in that 93-97 run, preferably 95 or 96, but I understand there was only so much time. He banged out 4 classics in about 18 months in that span.
 

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... i cant remember what magazine it was back then . . Rap Pages . .. Blaze... XXL . . . Mass Appeal . .. who knows. but in the late-90s he described a couple songs that would be on The Cure and im pretty sure they ended up on Birth of a Prince in 2003 .. . . .. especially See The Joy when he was talkin bout having a track where he raps from the perspecitve of a sperm cell . . ..





 
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... i cant remember what magazine it was back then . . Rap Pages . .. Blaze... XXL . . . Mass Appeal . .. who knows. but in the late-90s he described a couple songs that would be on The Cure and im pretty sure they ended up on Birth of a Prince in 2003 .. . . .. especially See The Joy when he was talkin bout having a track where he raps from the perspecitve of a sperm cell . . ..







I feel I remember reading this

The thing that sucks is he sounded tired and lacked energy on these songs in 2003


Plus that album had a hodge podge of other shyt on it too
 

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Wish we would've gotten a true RZA solo (no bobby digital shyt) in that 93-97 run, preferably 95 or 96, but I understand there was only so much time. He banged out 4 classics in about 18 months in that span.

... i assume the plan would be that each of them would have their solo LP drop during that first wave and he would be last . . .. . but then the flood . . .etc. . . . i highly doubt that in 93 he was thinkin about puttin together a solo joint called "The Cure" . . .. . . that album name probably came from some grandiose vision he had in 96 / 97 once he saw Lox in the shiny suits and Nas in a pink tuxedo in a muisic vid with Phil Leotardo and that he envisioned himself as the RZA-Rector to "cure" hip-hop from the commercial evilz . . .. . meanwhile that was KRS whole approach in 92 on Return of the Boom-Bap . .. . and look what happened .. .. human nature is inevitable . . .. . even the premise of this thread . . . are we debating what would be more commercially successful when he dropped or what would have had more of a cultural impact regardless of sales ?!?!!! . . . .

....from 1991 . ..




It’s not in the documentary but, before Ol’ Dirty b*stard became Ol’ Dirty b*stard, he would appear on your show as Unique Ason. Can you remember what your impressions were of him before he blew up?

Bobbito: Ason first came on our show with Prince Rakeem, who later became known as the Rza. This was back in 1991. Stretch and I were struck – struck! – by Ason immediately, rhyming over the breakbeat ‘UFO’ [by ESG]. He was just so different from anything that was out there. We adored his presence and he was a faithful caller to the show, even calling from a payphone to freestyle. He just loved the craft… and was very peculiar, to say the least. [laughs]

We were a college radio station with no security, so we basically had to police behaviour ourselves. Stretch reminded me of how, one night, I was on the mic and Ol’ Dirty had a 40 ounce. I told him, ‘Yo, you can’t drink that in the station. We’ll get kicked off the air.’ He said, ‘Oh, okay. No problem!’ and then ducked underneath the table, where the mics are, to sip the 40 from there. [laughs] Like a five-year-old!
 
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I feel I remember reading this

The thing that sucks is he sounded tired and lacked energy on these songs in 2003


Plus that album had a hodge podge of other shyt on it too

....exactly. . . . .. i dont think anybody put any effort into sequencing that shyt properly .. .



 
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....exactly. . . . .. i dont think anybody put any effort into sequencing that shyt properly .. .





Yup

He probably did just pull from lyrics he had written from The Cure a few years before and then that other shyt like Cherry Range and We Pop are straight out of 2003 when he made it
 

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Yup

He probably did just pull from lyrics he had written from The Cure a few years before and then that other shyt like Cherry Range and We Pop are straight out of 2003 when he made it

... i didnt include We Pop up above because that shyt was so blasphemous to me the first time i heard it when the tape dropped . .. . it took my brain a minute to actually accept that this was actually RZA on some low-budget "beat that sounds like Rockwilder" . ..

 
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... i didnt include We Pop up above because that shyt was so blasphemous to me the first time i heard it when the tape dropped . .. . it took my brain a minute to actually accept that this was actually RZA on some low-budget "beat that sounds like Rockwilder" . ..



That was a very dark time being a wu fan and it was hard to believe RZA rhymed over that beat

He was clearly pandering and trying to fit into the climate at the time

shyt was ass
 
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