JoelB
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No muslim is saying the only way to the Father is Christ. Some muslims dont even believed he was crucified at all, so how would he fulfill OT prophecy lol?Exegete the precepts i brought out.
Any Hebrew Isrealite Brehs On Here? I Have A Question....
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No muslim is saying the only way to the Father is Christ. Some muslims dont even believed he was crucified at all, so how would he fulfill OT prophecy lol?Exegete the precepts i brought out.
DoubleClutch
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Exegete the precepts i brought out.
yes they say they must believe in Jesus and Muhammad so Jesus(their interpretation of him) according to the Koran is needed other wise they can’t believe God sent him, etc....
them not believing him being crucified is no different than some Hebrew Israelites believing them following the OT law for the children of Israel will save them vs Jesus death/blood/resurrection
you focus on the law to the point you are a slave to it and not free in Jesus just like Muslims
but technically you can still “believe” in him. You just don’t have salvation logically because it cannot be earned by mans own work/good deeds such as praying 5 times a day and not eating pork
JoelB
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This right here is where the comparison should have stopped.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
He said by me (singular). Not by (me + muhammed)...or (me + joseph smith) or (me + Ellen G. White) or any other combination false doctrines use...you cant even do that with other prophets from the OT....which i already showed you 2 posts up. (Transfiguration)
It would be alot easier to say "Breh, i dont wanna deal with any laws. Its too restrictive
" instead of the blanket comparisons.
DoubleClutch
Superstar
This right here is where the comparison should have stopped.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
He said by me (singular). Not by (me + muhammed)...or (me + joseph smith) or (me + Ellen G. White) or any other combination false doctrines use...you cant even do that with other prophets from the OT....which i already showed you 2 posts up. (Transfiguration)
It would be alot easier to say "Breh, i dont wanna deal with any laws. Its too restrictive
so Hebrew Israelites are able to twist the scriptures and interpret them how they see fit to support their views and Muslims can’t?
you both twist the Bible to support a narrative based on God favoring one race/group of people over everyone else
in contrast to Jesus message of salvation for all
if you don’t see the similarities between Hebrew Israelites/Islam origins then maybe you should take a look back in early Christian pre Islamic Middle East history
JoelB
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Isaiah 40:17
All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Romans 9: 13-16
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
2 Esdras 6:56
"As for the other people, which also come from Adam, thou has said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
God don't play favorites?
I intentionally gave you 1 precept from OT, 1 from new NT, 1 from the apocrypha. There are no contradictions with the word.
Laidbackman
All Star
“As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.”
2 Edras 6:56
JoelB
All Praise To TMH
Matthew 15:25-28
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
@DoubleClutch Why does Christ call this woman a 'dog'? What was the point of that insult?
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
@DoubleClutch Why does Christ call this woman a 'dog'? What was the point of that insult?