AP African American Studies course debuts in Fall 2022/* blocked in FL /*four other states will review

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College Board Introduces AP African American Studies

AASA, The School Superintendents Association​

Feb 17, 2023
This session featuring College Board leaders offered a look at the development of Advanced Placement African American Studies, an overview of the content students will explore and the impact the course can have in welcoming more students to advanced classes
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4 states to review AP African American studies class amid Florida's ban​

Feb 18, 2023

Demonstrators protest Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s criticism of an Advanced Placement course on African American studies as they stand outside the Florida Capitol in Tallahassee on Wednesday


At least four more states will review the new Advanced Placement African American studies course to see if it conflicts with their policies or laws restricting the teaching of race, an indication that the controversy swirling around the class in Florida could spiral

Officials in Arkansas, Virginia, North Dakota and Mississippi said they had questions and planned reviews before deciding whether the new class may be taught in their classrooms. Another four states said no review was planned, but suggested that could change.

“I haven’t seen the course content for this particular course but just from reading certain news reports there are allegations that it contains elements of critical race theory,” said Dale Wetzel, spokesman for the North Dakota Department of Public Instruction. “So we’re going to need to look at it. We don’t want to assign a course code to something that violates state law.”

The course, which covers a wide range of Black history and cultural topics, is being piloted in about 60 classrooms nationwide this year. The pilot will continue this fall, and the class will be widely available in fall 2024 — unless states block their schools from offering it. In many states, no class can count toward graduation unless it is granted a state-issued course code.

Scholars say the course offers high school students a deep dive into an essential part of the American experience, one mostly confined to college campuses until now. Major topic areas include the African diaspora; freedom, enslavement and resistance; and movements and debates, including the civil rights movement and discussions of identity and culture.

But critics contend that inclusion of political topics, along with the use of certain buzzwords, render the class ripe for indoctrination. The course’s arrival at this moment of supercharged political battles over education has put it into the crosshairs of Republicans who in recent years have subjected schools to an extraordinary degree of scrutiny.

At least 18 states, including Florida, have laws or policies that restrict the teaching of race.

 

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College Board Introduces AP African American Studies

AASA, The School Superintendents Association​

Feb 17, 2023
This session featuring College Board leaders offered a look at the development of Advanced Placement African American Studies, an overview of the content students will explore and the impact the course can have in welcoming more students to advanced classes
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Damn, I know Brandi Waters from Penn...small world

 

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As much as I respect Dr. Carr he was rambling and longwinded in this lol.

Im guessing his main issue is the omission of the topics the college board removed and turning it into a regular history course without a big focus modern discussion. He also puts emphasis on it being a course not intended to “liberate” black students due to the same reasons.

He is 100% right on thats what it mainly is, a bare bones history course, but its also how every other history class ive taken in HS was oriented. We werent talking about modern topics in AP US History or AP European History, just the history. There was room for discussion in those classes depending on the teacher, but it wasnt the main focus. The college board is just forming AA history like its other history courses and I wouldnt have expected them to go beyond it with this one.

Imo opinion, as long as the core unbiased history is still there it not an issue. With the included class project, it still will provide plenty of flexibility on topics students can write and discuss which I think balances it out.

Even if the omitted topics were included, it still would have been biased, like I said before, with no sections on black conservatism and thought.

Someone pointed out the distinction between Studies and History , and how this course is different from earlier courses.
I'm fine with the current framework. I like that this AP class will be available and that students will be able to get college credits for it. Because Desantis chose to use it as a campaign issue and bogeyman, different groups are using this as a proxy war. Losing sight of what the course can and cannot do.
I'm tuning out most of it, and just following the legal developments.

 

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True, but (and I'm speaking about Florida) Desantis still ain't changing his mind

He found another bogeyman/rallying cry. Helps him advance the "they're indoctrinating our school children" slogan he's been running with.

 

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Debate over AP African-American Studies course in Virginia

WUSA9​

Feb 20, 2023
People are pushing back after Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin said he wants state education officials to review an A-P African American Studies course

 

[Rhakim]

And I do think there is a point to be made in leaving out black conservative thought. Why shouldn’t they be included as well? The previous course would have been biased.

If you're talking about an actual movement of Black conservative thought (like say the NOI or aspects of the Black church), that's one thing.

If you're talking "random Black conservative who writes/speaks for White outlets and gets propped up by conservative whites as a figurehead so they can claim they're not racist", then that's not part of the story. You can't cover the thoughts of every human on Earth who just happens to be Black.

 

[Kooley_High]

If you're talking about an actual movement of Black conservative thought (like say the NOI or aspects of the Black church), that's one thing.

If you're talking "random Black conservative who writes/speaks for White outlets and gets propped up by conservative whites as a figurehead so they can claim they're not racist", then that's not part of the story. You can't cover the thoughts of every human on Earth who just happens to be Black.

Im more-so talking about black conservatism springing from the ideals of Booker T Washington, Zora Neale Hearston, Sowell (as much as I hate the guy) and others in regards to social issues. They wouldnt be random figureheads, but people who made headway in the field. Their purpose would be to mainly serve as a counterbalance to the modern topics that were taken out of the curriculum if they were still included. Those topics are still heavily debated and not established as historical “fact” atm. Students should be given a diverse choice of opinion on them

 

[Kooley_High]

Someone pointed out the distinction between Studies and History , and how this course is different from earlier courses.
I'm fine with the current framework. I like that this AP class will be available and that students will be able to get college credits for it. Because Desantis chose to use it as a campaign issue and bogeyman, different groups are using this as a proxy war. Losing sight of what the course can and cannot do.
I'm tuning out most of it, and just following the legal developments.

Yeah, Carr talked about that in the video as well highlighting that the Philadelphia African Studies course that he help create was more discussion focused and not just a course on historical events. He views African Studies as a more superior teaching platform than African American History. He does have a point in that logic

I do believe you are correct in that this course is being used as a proxy/culture war by Desantis and the main purpose and function of the course is getting lost in the fray.

 

[Rhakim]

Im more-so talking about black conservatism springing from the ideals of Booker T Washington, Zora Neale Hearston, Sowell (as much as I hate the guy) and others in regards to social issues. They wouldnt be random figureheads, but people who made headway in the field. Their purpose would be to mainly serve as a counterbalance to the modern topics that were taken out of the curriculum if they were still included. Those topics are still heavily debated and not established as historical “fact” atm. Students should be given a diverse choice of opinion on them

I think Booker T. Washington is a valid example and should definitely be covered. I don't know enough about Zora Neale Hearston, though "Their Eyes Were Watching God" is sitting on my bookshelf right now so I need to get my ass on that.

Sowell is an example of someone I see as a "Black" conservative, as opposed to a "Black Conservative". He's the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He repeatedly appeared on Rush Limbaugh (and before that William Buckley) and primarily publishes his thoughts through World Net Daily, Townhall, RealClearPolitics, National Review, and The New York Post. His academic work is in economics quite apart from any particular racial issues, and so far as I know all of his awards and accolades were given to him by majority White groups. While he's written plenty about race, it's almost all been in his pop-level books marketed to a White Conservative audience. I'm not saying he isn't a valid scholar, but I don't see him as being part of any distinguished strand of Black thinkers. Perhaps that's unfair, but I just don't think that a single personality deserves coverage in a history class solely for stating positions that differ from the norm. He has to represent something greater than himself to earn that status.

 

[Kooley_High]

I think Booker T. Washington is a valid example and should definitely be covered. I don't know enough about Zora Neale Hearston, though "Their Eyes Were Watching God" is sitting on my bookshelf right now so I need to get my ass on that.

Sowell is an example of someone I see as a "Black" conservative, as opposed to a "Black Conservative". He's the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He repeatedly appeared on Rush Limbaugh (and before that William Buckley) and primarily publishes his thoughts through World Net Daily, Townhall, RealClearPolitics, National Review, and The New York Post. His academic work is in economics quite apart from any particular racial issues, and so far as I know all of his awards and accolades were given to him by majority White groups. While he's written plenty about race, it's almost all been in his pop-level books marketed to a White Conservative audience. I'm not saying he isn't a valid scholar, but I don't see him as being part of any distinguished strand of Black thinkers. Perhaps that's unfair, but I just don't think that a single personality deserves coverage in a history class solely for stating positions that differ from the norm. He has to represent something greater than himself to earn that status.

I understand what your saying. Especially in regards to black conservatives vs conservatives who are black, but my main point was that there should be a reasonable counterbalance that gives an apposing view to the modern topics that caused issue with the course. These topics were outside the overall history component.

These related to Intersectionality, Queer Studies, Reparations, Critical Race Theory, BLM etc. Since these are still highly debated and political, I think two sides of these topics should be covered, to allow students to come to a better independent decision. The scholars should of course be equal to each other. Or present topics that also show black conservatism.

I mentioned Sowell as an example mainly because he seems to have good standing with conservatives and also due to the fact that my knowledge of conservative thinkers is very limited. I of couse dont agree with him personally and think your description of him is pretty accurate.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I think Booker T. Washington is a valid example and should definitely be covered. I don't know enough about Zora Neale Hearston, though "Their Eyes Were Watching God" is sitting on my bookshelf right now so I need to get my ass on that.

Sowell is an example of someone I see as a "Black" conservative, as opposed to a "Black Conservative". He's the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He repeatedly appeared on Rush Limbaugh (and before that William Buckley) and primarily publishes his thoughts through World Net Daily, Townhall, RealClearPolitics, National Review, and The New York Post. His academic work is in economics quite apart from any particular racial issues, and so far as I know all of his awards and accolades were given to him by majority White groups. While he's written plenty about race, it's almost all been in his pop-level books marketed to a White Conservative audience. I'm not saying he isn't a valid scholar, but I don't see him as being part of any distinguished strand of Black thinkers. Perhaps that's unfair, but I just don't think that a single personality deserves coverage in a history class solely for stating positions that differ from the norm. He has to represent something greater than himself to earn that status.

With Sowell, it would be like teaching kids about Paul Krugman. Unless your goal is simply to say "this guy overcame things to become something in America," which you'd think these people would label as playing the race card/identity politics, I'm not sure why he should be covered. If you want to cast Clarence Thomas as a historical figure, fine. I get that. But a random conservative economist who happens to be black? Eh.

I don't see a value in discussing the origins of black conservatism beyond simply notating the shifts in the black vote based on historical events. Specifically the Civil War, the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, FDR, and the passing of the Civil Rights Act. If the goal is to take politics out of history, straying beyond those historical events to highlight the 5-15% of black people who voted for republicans post-1964 strikes me as pushing an agenda. Hell if they wanted to not discuss black voting trends at all I wouldn't be mad either.