Are you an undercover narcissist?

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Article on covert narcissism from http://www1.appstate.edu/~hillrw/Narcissism/shycovertnarcissist.html

In contrast to the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist,1 the Shy/Covert Narcissist is characterized by vulnerability and sensitivity which manifests itself in defensiveness and hostility. Like the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist, the Shy/Covert Narcissist has grandiose fantasies, feels a sense of entitlement, and is exploitive. However, the Shy/Covert Narcissistic personality is characterized by worry, ineffective functioning, unfulfilled expectations, and vulnerability to stress.
Cooper summarizes the distinguishing features of the Shy/Covert Narcissist as follows:

�Covert narcissistic individuals are those whose fantasies, whether conscious or unconscious, are indeed grandiose, inflated, unrealistic, and self-centered. They may be preoccupied with fantasies of grandiose achievements, imagining themselves as world heroes, centers of attention, and acclaimed by all. However, for one of several dynamic reasons, these fantasies are not expressed in overt behavior and are regarded by the individual consciously as beyond attainment. The grandiose desires are not matched by a conviction of personal efficacy. These individuals are conflicted and guilty over their overweening exhibitionistic, competitive, and aggressive desires, and their defensiveness often leads them to suppress or repress any awareness of the existence of these qualities. Most often, a barrier is imposed by a severe inner conscience that finds these fantasies unacceptable, demanding both that they should be suppressed and that the person should feel guilty for harboring unacceptable wishes. In effect, the superego accurately detects that within these self-inflating ideas lie self-centered, aggrandizing desires to attribute all goodness and power to oneself and relegate all weakness and badness to others, an aspect of the angry envy that probably is involved in the genesis of all narcissistic pathology.
�. . . the patients, like the public at large, may see only the final defensive inhibitory behaviors and perceive themselves as shy and unassertive, unable to obtain what rightfully they deserve. Often, the first hint of their underlying grandiosity comes when one realizes that adolescent types of daydreams of being heroic and acclaimed have persisted into adult life with unusual intensity and frequency. . . . these individuals often think of themselves as �perfectionists� . . . their fantasy of what they ought to be or produce is so inflated and grandiose that no actual product ever meets their internal standard. This discrepancy between unconscious fantasy and reality leads to further guild and merciless attack from the conscience for not meeting self-set standards as well as to feelings of worthlessness concurrent with grandiosity. These individuals often come to the attention of psychiatrists because of the depression and sense of inner deadness that they experience, as nothing in the world matches the thrill of triumphant achievement that they imagine is due them.�2

A Covert/Shy Narcissist will have grandiose fantasies but will also be plagued by a feeling of unworthiness and thus shame for even having fantasized about his or her �greatness.� This type of narcissist, �is likely to be characterized by an incapacity to sustain ambitions or to pursue even attainable goals with full dedication, yielding to others rewards that he or she may legitimately deserve. The final result is often significant masochistic self-damage, self-pity, feelings of hurt, and depression.�3

While feeling they deserve to be recognized for their specialness, unlike the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist, the Covert/Shy Narcissist is plagued by self-doubts and thus does not as readily seek the affirmation from others he or she believes is due. Moreover, because of this strong sense of worthlessness, this type of narcissist often will not seek out appropriate friends or romantic partners because they fear exposure as frauds; for this reason their associates tend to be conspicuously inferior to themselves. Cooper observes that this narcissist, �secretly harbors fantasies that he or she is engaged in a heroic rescue of someone of lesser capabilities.�4 And, when their friends and associates offer praise, the Shy/Covert Narcissist believes that this admiration is phony and insincere. They tend to devote a considerable amount of time ruminating over the unfairness of how little their true worth is appreciated and how others get the recognition for things that they themselves did.

According to Cooper, these people have �pathologically harsh consciences�5 and indulge in self-talk that denigrates their sense of self-worth. In fact, instead of demanding special attention from others in recognition of their superiority, the Shy/Covert Narcissist may actually fawn over people whose accomplishments they envy while secretly harboring strong feelings of resentment and contempt.

For all these reasons, these people are �frightened to show their accomplishments and often fail to get credit for good work they have actually done. They procrastinate about accomplishing tasks that are well within their capacities but that they fear they cannot accomplish, and their overt demeanor is often excessively retiring, modest, and shy.�6

For a chart comparing the features of Shy/Covert Narcissism with Arrogant/Overt



I see alot of myself as well as others on this board in this article. shyt is amazing how powerful and complex the mind can be.

It'll probably be a bit too much to read for those that need it. It's pretty old so I'm sure alot of you may have seen it before.
 

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This kinda cut deep cus....I daydream at least once a day about doing a heroic thing whether saving someone's life or preventing an accident from happening. I also imagine having the world's attention on me or wanting to be famous one day :ld: I am also shy....very very shy and sometimes timid :hamster:
 

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Yeah sometimes I dream about me saving lives or scoring the winning goal or enjoying life as an African dictator, but don't we all?
 

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Sounds like the author knows me personally. shyt really hit HOME and hard :to:

People on the daily tell me I'm so talented, but I never find the urge to complete what I started......this sux
 

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Very interesting pschological article.

I feel like this may describe a lot of people, maybe myself?(not sure), but if one feels that are special, how would they know whether they were or not? Maybe they really are deserving of that praise and are that special? I'm not saying who is or isn't but there really isn't any way to determine someones "worth" or "worthiness" in relation to others. I don't feel the second half though however, altruism and narcissism can be linked but in this sense the idea of helping someone just because you feel they are lesser doesn't really make sense... why would the narcissism then shun the praise?
 

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I'm probably a bit of a narcissist, but I am not undercover, and I can back much of my vainess up and I will more than likely do something about the things I think/perceive rather than being on the low about it or continue to fantasize/complain.

I definitely can see such with a lot of people on here though.
 

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Very interesting pschological article.

I feel like this may describe a lot of people, maybe myself?(not sure), but if one feels that are special, how would they know whether they were or not? Maybe they really are deserving of that praise and are that special? I'm not saying who is or isn't but there really isn't any way to determine someones "worth" or "worthiness" in relation to others. I don't feel the second half though however, altruism and narcissism can be linked but in this sense the idea of helping someone just because you feel they are lesser doesn't really make sense... why would the narcissism then shun the praise?

I also think it has alot to do with ppl (besides the person's parents and relatives) telling them that they are going to be great one day or telling them how special they are? :manny:

When I was younger (around 8 or 9) a teacher of mine (an afro latina woman) told me that I'm going to be something special one day and she use to always take a liking to me over my other classmates. Same thing with my freshman biology teacher, he use to push me more than my other classmates and constantly pulled me to the side and told me that he sees something special in my eyes (now :whoa: he wasnt trying to talk to me because he was gay) and my camp leader back when I was 11 (another afro latina woman) She told me that I left an everlasting impression on her and that I should smile more because I'm going to be great one day. I didnt really pay too much attention to it because I was really on one back then :smh:

But now looking back on it...maybe thats why I feel the way I do and daydream about these types of things? :leostare:
 

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Isn't this just describing the difference between a person who is confident (acts on their desires decisively) and one who lacks confidence (refuses to act on or questions their desires)? Narcissism is instinctual because all our actions are inherently self-serving in the end even if they don't appear that way on the surface (i.e. people who help others do so because it makes them feel good and they wouldn't do it if it made them feel bad). It's only "undercover" in the sense that people don't normally use the word narcissism to describe their instinctual habits.
 

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Isn't this just describing the difference between a person who is confident (acts on their desires decisively) and one who lacks confidence (refuses to act on or questions their desires)? Narcissism is instinctual because all our actions are inherently self-serving in the end even if they don't appear that way on the surface (i.e. people who help others do so because it makes them feel good and they wouldn't do it if it made them feel bad). It's only "undercover" in the sense that people don't normally use the word narcissism to describe their instinctual habits.
:ehh: I think this is a good way to look at things.

SN: I can't say ALL actions are self-serving, but the general idea, I agree with.
 

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Isn't this just describing the difference between a person who is confident (acts on their desires decisively) and one who lacks confidence (refuses to act on or questions their desires)? Narcissism is instinctual because all our actions are inherently self-serving in the end even if they don't appear that way on the surface (i.e. people who help others do so because it makes them feel good and they wouldn't do it if it made them feel bad). It's only "undercover" in the sense that people don't normally use the word narcissism to describe their instinctual habits.
I think it's more describing how different types of narcissistic people act out their own narcissism. They have an article on arrogant/overt narcissism too. According to that website, one group is extremely self-deprecating while the other is extremely conceited. There are several different definitions of narcissism though, and that site even defines a "normal" narcissism which is pretty interesting.

Here's the article on the Arrogant/Overt Narcissist:

The Arrogant/Overt Narcissist
Grandiosity is a key feature of the typical clinical presentation of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, what Ronningstam1 labels the Arrogant Narcissist and Wink2 and Cooper3 refer to as the Overt Narcissist.

Grandiosity may manifest itself in the person's

Preoccupation with fantasies that involve personal attractiveness, power, wealth, or success
Feelings of superiority and uniqueness
Boastful, pretentious, self-centered, and self-referential behavior
Boastful exhibitionism

In this typical presentation form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) the person commonly is unable to maintain satisfactory, mutual, and enduringly committed relationships with others. To the pathological narcissist, others represent the means by which they can bolster their sense of self-importance or achieve their own goals or desires.

The person with NPD expects and needs admiration and seeks out situations in which that need can be met. In fact, the person with NPD expects to be treated with respect, deference, and admiration. When such admiration is not forthcoming, the pathological narcissist may respond with surprise, hurt, or even rage.

For the person with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, others exist to meet his or her needs; rarely do these individuals stop to consider that others have reciprocal needs. Thus other people are subtly, passively, or overtly exploited and manipulated.

As a result of the need to be best or first, the person with NPD behaves in, a condescending and [devaluing] manner toward others . . . often combined with arrogance and haughtiness and some may appear snobbish, supercilious, or patronizing.

Ironically, although pathological narcissists harbor feelings of envy toward others often feeling jealous of others talents, accomplishments, and possessions the arrogant narcissist professes a belief that it is actually others who envy them, and they react with suspiciousness and intense feelings of rage when perceiving others envy. The arrogant narcissist, struggle with sustained or recurrent feelings of worthlessness, emptiness, meaninglessness, hollowness, and futility.

When a person with the arrogant variety of Narcissistic Personality Disorder loses, is criticized, or is contradicted, he or she experiences strong negative reactions, which they may then display to others. However, the person with NPD generally strives to appear cool and calm, as if the experience meant little to them. Overt responses an arrogant narcissist might display range from dismissal and minimizing of the criticism, to verbal counterattacks, or revengeful plans or actions. In more severe cases, episodes of depression, psychosomatic reactions or syndromes, periodic substance abuse, or suicidal ideations or actions may occur.
 
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