as a leftist, i no longer feel like identify with most other leftists

[NotaPAWG]

for multiple reasons

a lot of leftists who advocate communism or socialism absolve communist countries from scrutiny, they excuse oppression with the excuse "well, Venezuela, North Korea etc aren't really communist". = cop out.

they sound no different than capitalists who use the excuse we aren't "practicing true, free market capitalism"

they've been silent on the Russia collusion, in fact many sound just like the right, instead of calling it a hoax, that claim "its a distraction to keep us divided".. one in the same.

shyt, the centrists are starting to sound more logical to me these days.

the left and right seem to have more and more in common these days

so where does it leave us actual anti-authorities leftists? our politics have been taking over by early 20 year olds and teenagers more concerned with trigger warnings & pro nouns than our countries democratic process being hijacked and fukked with by a communist

where do we go from here?

 

[southpawstyle]

What leftist figures/literature were you into?

I identify as a leftist, but have to avoid certain platforms to not be discouraged. Most "leftists" are white Bernie fans and that's it.

Also those twenty year olds concerned with trigger warnings are not leftists. They're prototypical liberals.

Edit: Who is this communist that hijacked our democracy?

 

[ineedsleep212]

What leftist figures/literature were you into?

I identify as a leftist, but have to avoid certain platforms to not be discouraged. Most "leftists" are white Bernie fans and that's it.

Also those twenty year olds concerned with trigger warnings are not leftists. They're prototypical liberals.

Edit: Who is this communist that hijacked our democracy?

I dunno about that but there are surely plenty of folks who don't really label themselves as anything.

 

[southpawstyle]

I dunno about that but there are surely plenty of folks who don't really label themselves as anything.

That was tongue in cheek and aimed mostly at Americans post-election. I figured this thread was for self proclaimed leftists and not those who abstain from labels.





Lenin

 

[88m3]

I kinda see what you're getting at I mean there's shyt dikks on this forum like @JahFocus CS who says he's on the left but I associate him more with authoritarianism

 

[NotaPAWG]

What leftist figures/literature were you into?

I identify as a leftist, but have to avoid certain platforms to not be discouraged. Most "leftists" are white Bernie fans and that's it.

Also those twenty year olds concerned with trigger warnings are not leftists. They're prototypical liberals.

nah, a lot of leftists and anarchists have adopted that liberal trigger warning, word police bullshyt

slavoj zizek, marx, max stirner, deleuze, trotsky, the invisible committee

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Fiscally communists are loud, but the centrists are the silent majority.

I'm pretty far left on social issues though

 

[NotaPAWG]

Fiscally communists are loud, but the centrists are the silent majority.

I'm pretty far left on social issues though

i'm far left on a lot of things, at 17 i really loved Foucault, still do and a lot of his work shaped me.

 

[southpawstyle]

Fiscally communists are loud, but the centrists are the silent majority.

I'm pretty far left on social issues though

Social issues like Immigration and Islamophobia?


@biscuitsnbangers to answer your question on where do we go from here....ignore the Russia part....





Lenin: What Is To Be Done?

 

[ineedsleep212]

Fiscally communists are loud, but the centrists are the silent majority.

I'm pretty far left on social issues though

 

[NotaPAWG]

Social issues like Immigration and Islamophobia?


@biscuitsnbangers to answer your question on where do we go from here....ignore the Russia part....





Lenin: What Is To Be Done?

lol hope you're trolling with that question about what communists hijacked our democratic process.. don't be obtuse

 

[southpawstyle]

lol hope you're trolling with that question about what communists hijacked our democratic process.. don't be obtuse

Not real communism



Tbh I was one of the leftists who thought the Russia thing was being overblown for a while. I humbled myself and gave nap his dap and rep when Donny Jr fukked up



A lot of political discussion is meme exchanges and edgy quips.

 

[JahFocus CS]

for multiple reasons

a lot of leftists who advocate communism or socialism absolve communist countries from scrutiny, they excuse oppression with the excuse "well, Venezuela, North Korea etc aren't really communist". = cop out.

they sound no different than capitalists who use the excuse we aren't "practicing true, free market capitalism"

they've been silent on the Russia collusion, in fact many sound just like the right, instead of calling it a hoax, that claim "its a distraction to keep us divided".. one in the same.

shyt, the centrists are starting to sound more logical to me these days.

the left and right seem to have more and more in common these days

so where does it leave us actual anti-authorities leftists? our politics have been taking over by early 20 year olds and teenagers more concerned with trigger warnings & pro nouns than our countries democratic process being hijacked and fukked with by a communist

where do we go from here?

with regards to your first point, if we define socialism/communism as a mode of production under which workers control the means of production and democratically determine production and distribution -- it isn't a cop out at all to say those regimes weren't/aren't socialist or communist. Do we accept that something/someone is X because they assert they are X without actually supporting what X entails? I wouldn't get so hung up on names and labels though, what it boils down to is, does someone support economic democracy or not and acknowledge that capitalism is inherently exploitative due to wage labor and the rule of capital?

Personally I don't give a shyt about the Russia stuff that much, yeah there was most likely collusion but I'm just not all that interested in centering my politics for the next 2-3 years around that. If it's a major issue for you then but it isn't for me.

the bold has me though, what are you talking about?

I am almost totally uninterested in the Tumblr "leftists" who focus on identity politics of various stripes and that trigger warning/safe space shyt does not enthuse me. So I feel you on that.

The basic problem is that capital has been allowed to roll back the gains of the 30s/40s, labor is weak, and no one talks about fighting to get labor more power. that requires a wholesale scrapping of the labor regime in the U.S. that was established by Taft-Hartley.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Tbh I was one of the leftists who thought the Russia thing was being overblown for a while. I humbled myself and gave nap his dap and rep when Donny Jr fukked up

negged for dapping Nap

I was about to take him off ignore for a sec to dap him for being a Don Q fan but then I was like nah, fukk that :mxfoh: I don't care what he says or does, he's forever a terrible poster undeserving of daps and rep

 

[southpawstyle]

negged for dapping Nap

I was about to take him off ignore for a sec to dap him for being a Don Q fan but then I was like nah, fukk that :mxfoh: I don't care what he says or does, he's forever a terrible poster undeserving of daps and rep

It took less than five minutes of scrolling through a random thread to regret it.