Atlanta Podcasters Say The South Was Too Stupid to Understand New York Hip Hop

[King Sun]

We moving form diapsora wars back to the south vs east coast black people

 

[Biscayne]

New York rap scene is like Notre Dame football, bragging about shyt that they did decades ago to cope with being completely irrelevant for years lol.

"King of hip hop intellectualism" but the most prominent rappers they put out in 10 years is a dude that did offshoot drill music and a fukking Mexican with 69 tatted on his face



No innovation to speak of either. Embarrassing.

New York has always had ignant rappers mixed in with the “teachers” and poets. For every Nas there was a Dipset, MOP, Onyx. Just wild dudes rapping about wild and ignant things. Alinkyele rapping about eating p*ssy. Even Wu. Every member could either be intelligent or straight ignant. ODB

NY has always had Bamma type rappers. There was always an internal war between certain NY artists. New York rappers would take shots at other NY rappers for being “too smart” or for being too “pro black” or “hotep”. The call was coming from inside the house. A lot do the time.

 

[Mugenight]

We moving form diapsora wars back to the south vs east coast black people

Yep...people in this thread showing they ass.

 

[JamesJabdi]

Throw some d's on that bytch

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

for what¿

is that post speaking to your spirit¿

aHA

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Yes….Any nikka telling me he’s superior solely based on his/her geographical location and adjacency to non blacks is an issue and should be noted ….

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I'm glad it's Atl nikkas saying it. Let it had been some dude from NY.

20 plus mofos dapped this….. Coli posters = fugazi\weak spine bougie wannabes that ain’t gon bust a grape…. Talking all this pro black shyt but hate real pro black nikkas….

 

[bnew]

Dead Prez and Andre 3000 and Dungeon Family were intellectual though...and Scarface

That said, you can have both. There's car driving music, in your room music, and music to make the women bend over. In the party environment, the guys were looking for the women to bend over.


As for the title, I heard Toyota had left Alabama for a related reason. They used play cards and picture boards to try to train workers and it wasn't up to their standard so they opted for beyond the northern border instead.

trust but verify .....

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Toyota Reveals Limits of Great Southern Jobs Scam | Facing South

Last month, Toyota made a decision that didn't get a lot of press, but sent ripples of concern through state houses across the South.

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Toyota Reveals Limits of Great Southern Jobs Scam​

By Chris Kromm / August 3, 2005


Last month, Toyota made a decision that didn't get a lot of press, but sent ripples of concern through state houses across the South.

The Japanese auto giant announced that it was going to bypass offers of hundreds of millions of dollars in "recruitment incentives" (corporate subsidies) from several Southern states, and would instead set up shop in Ontario, Canada, which was offering much fewer give-aways.

The decision to head north was an embarassment for Southern states eagerly competing to lure Toyota, on several levels. Not only did they lose a trophy job-creator for their state. But the reason Toyota gave for the move was especially damning:

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant [...]

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double [the] subsidy [Southern states were offering]. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

Starting with Alabama's successful bid to lure a Mercedes plant in 1992 with an incentive package that eventually cost over $300 million in tax breaks and other give-aways -- while the state's education system was under court order for lack of funding -- Southern states have shoveled billions of dollars to huge foreign automakers, turning the South into the "new Detroit."

But now companies are waking up to the limitations of locating in a state that cares more about handing out tax breaks than investing in its people.

Unfortunately, state leaders haven't caught on -- indeed, states like North Carolina expanded their corporate give-away programs in the last legislative session. Below the fold is a piece I wrote on the North Carolina debate that will appear in today's Independent Weekly (not online yet, but check out this excellent weekly here it's online now here):

THE GREAT NORTH CAROLINA JOBS SCAM

Chris Kromm

When North Carolina handed Dell Inc. - the second biggest computer maker in the world - over $280 million in tax breaks and other "recruitment" incentives last year to set up shop in the state, the backlash was fast and furious.

Community leaders and advocates howled at the idea of shoveling taxpayer money to a company that in 2004 made over $3 billion in profits. Lawmakers decried Dell's strong-arm tactics (which included questioning the state's "patriotism" if they didn't hand over the money). Journalists were incensed at the Dell deal's secrecy. A conservative former N.C. Supreme Court judge, Robert Orr, went to work on a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the give-away, which he filed in June.

"It's just an insult to other business owners in North Carolina," said Perri Morgan, an advocate for small and independent businesses. "I think with every deal, a few more people wake up."

Morgan likely had a shipment of alarm clocks sent to state leaders last week, when after months of growing skepticism over the Dell handouts, lawmakers decided to do it all over again.

Last Friday, Governor Mike Easley signed into law a two-year extension of the state's two biggest corporate subsidy programs, the William S. Lee Act and the Job Development Investment Grant Program, calling them "smart, targeted tools to bring and grow jobs in North Carolina."

But author and advocate Greg LeRoy has another label for such deals, which is the title of his recent book that he'll be discussing in Raleigh on August 10: "The Great American Jobs Scam."

North Carolina is "a kind of petri dish," said LeRoy in an interview for the Independent Weekly, for a silent scandal unfolding across the country. Every year, cash-strapped state and local governments shell out over $50 billion in tax breaks, free or cheap land, subsidized city services, cash grants, and other give-aways - mostly to big, profitable corporations - to entice them to re-locate or expand in their area.

The deals are often shrouded in secrecy, according to LeRoy, and offer few guarantees of delivering prosperity. And they commonly involve a laundry-list of "scams" that short-change taxpayers and communities, including:

* Create a Bogus Competitor: State documents reveal that Dell scared North Carolina leaders into thinking they were about to lose the plant to Virginia - although Virginia leaders now say they only offered $8 million for the facility.

* Pay Poverty Wages, Stick Taxpayers with the Tab: Subsidies often don't require that the jobs created offer a decent wage. Wal-Mart has collected over $1 billion in breaks nation-wide - including at least two counties in North Carolina - despite offering wages and benefits so low that, for example, 25% of the people on TennCare, Tennessee's health program for poor residents, are Wal-Mart employees.

* Take the Money and Run: Many companies have collected millions in taxpayer-funded subsidies, only to pack up as soon as they expire. Or worse, they don't do anything at all, like the company in Haywood County that shuttered after a year without having created a single job (the county got the money back after years of legal wrangling; not all places are so fortunate).

"Up until 1996, North Carolina had an approach that worked well," says LeRoy. "It was dedicated to investing in public schools and an excellent university system. That paid off."

But state leaders hastily passed the Lee Act in 1996 after nearby states had landed "trophy deals." LeRoy points to "a raft of evidence" that the Lee Act hasn't worked, draining millions in state tax revenue while largely benefiting wealthy areas.

Among the evidence is a 2004 study by the N.C. Justice and Community Development Center, which found that just 5% of the Lee Act credits had gone to the state's poorest counties. Despite some improvements, Amna Cameron of the Justice Center calls last Friday's extension "more of the status quo."

How to beat the jobs scam? Demand that the details of taxpayer give-aways be made public. Insist on standards, such as guarantees that jobs will pay a living wage, and "clawbacks" to reclaim subsidies if the company doesn't follow through.

But his top recommendation is to get back to investing in what works.

"This is my agenda for creating good jobs: reinvestment in skills and infrastructure, not more corporate disinvestment by tax dodging," LeRoy concludes his book. Corporate subsidy deals "were always dumb ideas. Now it is glaringly obvious: they are wasteful handouts we can no longer afford."

Sounds like Toyota agrees.

 

[010101]

Yes….Any nikka telling me he’s superior solely based on his/her geographical location and adjacency to non blacks is an issue and should be noted ….

see you spilling the shirt on your mind

nikkas was talking music the culture of hip~hop/rap

you start expanding this shyte to other shyte

you feel like i am superior because i came up in the world's capital city¿

you think it's something noteworthy to have people from every corner of planet earth as fellow citizens¿

aHA

go consult the man in the mirror that ain't got shyte to do with me or nikkas up top

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[Field Marshall Bradley]

see you spilling the shirt on your mind

nikkas was talking music the culture of hip~hop/rap

you start expanding this shyte to other shyte

you feel like i am superior because i came up in the world's capital city¿

you think it's something noteworthy to have people from every corner of planet earth as fellow citizens¿

aHA

go consult the man in the mirror that ain't got shyte to do with me or nikkas up top

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Now you talking like a slow leak claiming to be superior..

I asked for examples of anti intellectualism I got zero responses…

You claim it’s just about music but you defend the sweeping generalizations about nikkas born below the Mason Dixon line being slow, which ain’t got shyt to do with rap.. The crazy part is if we broke this down to who made black music work, it would be 12 course lecture in any ivory tower based on southern music from the late 1800s to the 1970s…

 

[010101]

Now you talking like a slow leak claiming to be superior..

I asked for examples of anti intellectualism I got zero responses…

You claim it’s just about music but you defend the sweeping generalizations about nikkas born below the Mason Dixon line being slow, which ain’t got shyt to do with rap.. The crazy part is if we broke this down to who made black music work, it would be 12 course lecture in any ivory tower based on southern music from the late 1800s to the 1970s…

you ain't satisfied with my answers what can i do about that¿

aHA

shyte the op is an example of anti.intellectualism

the history of black music up top is rich enough for nikkas to never feel any type of way about the history of any other region

we got it all up here the whole black diaspora came up here & got polished got refined

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[UpAndComing]

I'm still amazed at that "oh cause we drive more, that we have less intellectual music"


- So the South during the 90s, from the exact same region in question, was filled with thought provoking music. What, did the South all of a sudden become less walkable when they started pumping out ignorant music in the 2000s? lol
- Ice Cube, Rass Kass, The Game, Kendrick, Nipsey Hussle, Ab Soul, DJ Quik, etc are all from Los Angeles, easily a Top 5 car centric city in the entire US. Oh so why do they make thought provoking music?
- The group Griselda is out of Buffalo NY, walkable in spots but mostly a car centric city, what happened with them? lol
- Freddie Gibbs is out of Gary, Indiana. Another thought car centric city lol
- Eminem, from Detroit. Another car centric city lol
- Little Brother & 9th Wonder, out of Durham NC, another car centric city


I damn near threw my laptop out the window reading that post

Southern brehs, just own up to it!!! . It is what it is

 

[010101]

ain't it wild though this thread is about some shyte atl nikkas said

yet fools bucking at the clouds about us slick talking fancy dressing yankees

unnecessary dikk tugging aHA

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[mson]

20 plus mofos dapped this….. Coli posters = fugazi\weak spine bougie wannabes that ain’t gon bust a grape…. Talking all this pro black shyt but hate real pro black nikkas….

Your problem should be with the people in the video, not the people who dapped me.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

you ain't satisfied with my answers what can i do about that¿

aHA

shyte the op is an example of anti.intellectualism

the history of black music up top is rich enough for nikkas to never feel any type of way about the history of any other region

we got it all up here the whole black diaspora came up here & got polished got refined

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Well shyt.. re quote where you gave examples of southern rap nikkas displaying anti intellectualism… That should be easy with that gifted east coat brain of yours.. The audience will wait on your repsone, or non response

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Your problem should be with the people in the video, not the people who dapped me.

Shut the fukk up, and be quiet.. You ain’t smart enough to know the difference between the two…