Baseball is the only sport where individual accolades trump team accomplishments

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Its all about individual stats and awards and never about titles. The San Fran's 2 title runs are the equivalent to what the NY Giants did yet it seems like it happened 10 years ago. For all the talk about Pujos greatness, his two championships tend to get lost in the mix. It seems like the only time people talk about titles is when major markets make big free agent splashes and 99 % of the time they never equate to a world series birth let alone a title. A lack of a salary cap and a distorted market for players have definitely hurt the sport.


As far as individual stats go, I think MLB puts too much stock in them.

If players are naturally bigger stronger faster than players in the 1920's what does that say about the level of competition Babe Ruth faced. What does that say about Cy Young and is 511 wins.

If pitchers back when Ruth played were throwing 30 complete games a year how hard could they have been throwing the ball in the first place. There were no radar guns back then so for allow we know he could've been crushing 70 mph fast balls. It's all bunch of hearsay.
 

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That' why Baseball is a good sport, no matter how shytty the team is doing you know these individualists will be trying hard to pump their stats up.
 
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Cricket is the same as baseball...We just look at the individuals stats...Nobody really cares about world cups and such...

If your stats are better than the next man, then the majority consensus is that you are better than the next man, regardless of whether the next man won more world cups than you...

Soccer is the same for the most part...

It's really predominantly American people who don't seem to realize that winning championships is NOT the responsibility of one player...
 

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Cricket is the same as baseball...We just look at the individuals stats...Nobody really cares about world cups and such...

If your stats are better than the next man, then the majority consensus is that you are better than the next man, regardless of whether the next man won more world cups than you...

Soccer is the same for the most part...

It's really predominantly American people who don't seem to realize that winning championships is NOT the responsibility of one player...


All I care about is winning. Stats will keep me interested and is an added bonus for rooting for my teams but it's all about winning. Individual stats are just that. What's the point of being considered the best if you never play for or win a championship.
 

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Teams do get accolades the Yankees are a huge brand because of winning, individual players are more based on stats then titles in baseball because one player has the lesat amount of power over winning and losing out of the others ports

In the nba one player can make you a contender in football a farnhcise qb can make you contend every year in baseball a fnrahcise player doesnt have that power so he isn tblamed for not winning a title as much as the stars in the other sports

Baseball is a individual sport in a team setting
 

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to be fair, titles are treated like individual accomplishments for the nba and nfl qbs.
 

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All I care about is winning. Stats will keep me interested and is an added bonus for rooting for my teams but it's all about winning. Individual stats are just that. What's the point of being considered the best if you never play for or win a championship.

people on here created a dan marino thread. people saying he the greatest qb but he has no rings & put up tremendous stats. is that the same?
 

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Talk to a New Yorker about A-Rod vs. Jeter and see how quickly titles are brought up :heh:

Exactly. I was just about to post "You ever heard of this guy named Derek Jeter?".

All I care about is winning. Stats will keep me interested and is an added bonus for rooting for my teams but it's all about winning. Individual stats are just that. What's the point of being considered the best if you never play for or win a championship.

So being the best is pointless unless you happen to be on a championship quality squad? :what: Too much stock is put into championships in other sports when talking about INDIVIDUAL players. A lot of factors go into winning, especially in baseball, and it is lazy and downright stupid to ignore all of these factors and just throw all the credit/blame on one guy. If a guy goes out and beasts and does everything he can why should he be downgraded because those around him did not?
 
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All I care about is winning. Stats will keep me interested and is an added bonus for rooting for my teams but it's all about winning. Individual stats are just that. What's the point of being considered the best if you never play for or win a championship.

Of course everybody wants their team to win...

But when the debate is who is the GOAT, then in certain sports, individual stats are the only objective way of having the discussion...

Winning championships is a TEAM effort...The "Superstar" is only that because he/she is the difference maker when the game is close or is completely dominant that the other team has no chance...

In certain sports the later is easier to achieve...For example, in basketball, because offence and defence occur at the same time, The Superstar can make a HUGE difference in the game...

But in sports like cricket and baseball, you NEED an offensive and defensive superstar, because the offensive superstar can get a lot runs (points), but when they are on defence, the game is out of their hands, and the defensive superstar has to do his thing...

So, you can't judge the greatness of a cricketer by championships, you have to look at individual stats, but in the case where two contenders have similar stats, maybe you can distinguish the two with championships...

Another example is soccer, where a good team with NO "superstar" will beat an average team with a "superstar" almost all the time, because it is not easy to score in soccer...In soccer, the "superstar" tends to be the primary striker...Now, the primary striker can get you that one goal to win the game, when the competition is very tight, but if he is surrounded by bums, then he will essentially be playing 1 against 11, and if the 11 are good players, the the "superstar" has VERY little chance...

That's how you end up with great scorers, with AMAZING talent, but they have never won World Cups...The WC comes every 4 years, if you miss 1, you will be 4 years older when the next one comes around, and 4 years is a life time in sports...

Therefore, it makes NO sense to compare players based on world cups won, because some great players don't even make it there, because the players in their countries are not as good as the players they play with in their leagues...
 

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Of course everybody wants their team to win...

But when the debate is who is the GOAT, then in certain sports, individual stats are the only objective way of having the discussion...

Winning championships is a TEAM effort...The "Superstar" is only that because he/she is the difference maker when the game is close or is completely dominant that the other team has no chance...

In certain sports the later is easier to achieve...For example, in basketball, because offence and defence occur at the same time, The Superstar can make a HUGE difference in the game...

But in sports like cricket and baseball, you NEED an offensive and defensive superstar, because the offensive superstar can get a lot runs (points), but when they are on defence, the game is out of their hands, and the defensive superstar has to do his thing...

So, you can't judge the greatness of a cricketer by championships, you have to look at individual stats, but in the case where two contenders have similar stats, maybe you can distinguish the two with championships...

Another example is soccer, where a good team with NO "superstar" will beat an average team with a "superstar" almost all the time, because it is not easy to score in soccer...In soccer, the "superstar" tends to be the primary striker...Now, the primary striker can get you that one goal to win the game, when the competition is very tight, but if he is surrounded by bums, then he will essentially be playing 1 against 11, and if the 11 are good players, the the "superstar" has VERY little chance...

That's how you end up with great scorers, with AMAZING talent, but they have never won World Cups...The WC comes every 4 years, if you miss 1, you will be 4 years older when the next one comes around, and 4 years is a life time in sports...

Therefore, it makes NO sense to compare players based on world cups won, because some great players don't even make it there, because the players in their countries are not as good as the players they play with in their leagues...

I look at greatness based on how well a player performs on the biggest stage. If they never got a chance to perform on the biggest stage then how can they be considered the greatest. Postseason, playoffs its different.
 
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