Ben Sasse Calls for Repealing 17th Amendment, Eliminating Popular-Vote Senate Elections

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What does HL think of this?

-I agree with him on term limits and showing up for debades

-So so on the cameras thing. I want transparency, but agree that posturing for clicks and soundbites is a problem

There are some problems with direct election. It takes away from the founders' purpose of the Senate, to represent the states. As of now, the Senate just seems to be a smaller house with different responsibilities.

This also sounds like a way to solidify a Republican majority indefinitely, as many states have more Republican representatives.

Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) called to repeal the 17th Amendment on Tuesday, which would eliminate the requirement that U.S. senators be elected by popular votes.

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Make the Senate Great Again,” Sasse called for an end to the amendment, among other changes to the Senate “aimed at promoting debate, not ending it.”

He also recommended abolishing standing committees, requiring senators to show up for debates, implementing 12-year term limits, and requiring senators to live together in dorms when in Washington.

“What would the Founding Fathers think of America if they came back to life?” Sasse wrote. “Their eyes would surely bug out first at our technology and wealth. But I suspect they’d also be stunned by the deformed structure of our government. The Congress they envisioned is all but dead. The Senate in particular is supposed to be the place where Americans hammer out our biggest challenges with debate. That hasn’t happened for decades—and the rot is bipartisan.”

Before the 17th Amendment was ratified in 1913, Article I of the Constitution mandated that each state legislature vote to send two senators to Washington. Sasse argues that returning control to state legislatures would be a way of increasing local control in the Senate in a time of polarization and nationalization in politics.

“Different states bring different solutions to the table, and that ought to be reflected in the Senate’s national debate,” he wrote. “The old saying used to be that all politics is local, but today—thanks to the internet, 24/7 cable news and a cottage industry dedicated to political addiction—politics is polarized and national. That would change if state legislatures had direct control over who serves in the Senate.”




The Nebraskan Senator also suggested ridding the Senate of cameras because in the presence of cameras, Senators “aren’t trying to learn from witnesses, uncover details, or improve legislation. They’re competing for sound bites.“

“Without posturing for cameras, Republicans and Democrats cooperate on some of America’s most complicated and urgent problems,” he wrote
 

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Sasse trying to take away the voters' voices, especially if you have ridiculously gerrymandered states that almost guarantee one party will have majority control.
 

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You think gerrymandering is crazy now, wait until state governments are tasked with choosing senators. State government is even dirtier and good ol' boys club than Washington. This is hilarious and crazy. :russ:
I feel you. This would be less crazy if the country wasn't so partisan. Politicoans are elected based on party loyalty and agenda instead of merits or a desire to serve a constituency.

I'm almost for a quasi Roman system where representatives are chosen at random. A lot of people who desire power are the ones who least deserve it.
 

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Ben Sasse just wants a way to hide, look at his Twitter page and header and check the last time he tweeted.
 

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Yeah, this is probably his goal.

shyt, at this point, why not abolish the Senate entirely? People are so hyperfocused on national politics, even at the state level. The Senate is almost redundant.
There's nothing wrong with a two chamber system. The Senate exists for a reason. Typically Senators are older, more educated, and are supposed to be somewhat less partisan than the House. The latter obviously isn't the case anymore under Mitch.
 

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There's nothing wrong with a two chamber system. The Senate exists for a reason. Typically Senators are older, more educated, and are supposed to be somewhat less partisan than the House The latter obviously isn't the case anymore under Mitch.
Exactly. That's why they weren't elected directly. America was never meant to be a "country", but a union of independent states, represented by Senators. The internet, news media, and hyperpartisanship changed that.

Dissolving the senate would never work, anyway.
 

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fukk outta here Republicans stay trying to take power from the majority and giving it to these little ass rule communities shyt is ass backwards.
 

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Yeah, this is probably his goal.

shyt, at this point, why not abolish the Senate entirely? People are so hyperfocused on national politics, even at the state level. The Senate is almost redundant.
I do agree with this I've been wanting this for years.
 

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Have Republicans ever called for this before?

It might hint they bare actually worried about how much power they will have going forward in the system as is.
 

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Have Republicans ever called for this before?

It might hint they bare actually worried about how much power they will have going forward in the system as is.
Conservatives have always had a problem with liberal democracy. They have been against every effort to expand individual voting rights since the beginning.
 
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