Ben Simmons - "They picked Kemba? His team is 7 games under us"

[42 Monks]

You dont see the hate in this thread? You dont see nikkas calling him a "poor man's Lamar Odom" just 7 posts above yours? really?

First off - you got Lamar Odom fukked up. But don't worry, I got you

Lamar Odom Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
Ben Simmons Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

and before you even start with the other shyt, Lamar Odom was the best player on that Clippers team too: 1999-00 Los Angeles Clippers Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

and this was back when teams weren't cheesing possessions nonstop like they do now. plus he could fukking shoot even at worst, that's not 'hating'

 

[42 Monks]

Dwight is averaging like 15 and 12 bruh what are you talking about.

a double double is nice and all but when all you gotta do is trap him or force him to catch it more than 10 feet out, that's not helping all that much.

you have to double kemba high or blitz the PnR - that means either kemba splits it and scores solo or he passes it to dwight at the top of the key

...i don't have to explain how useless Dwight is at the elbow. you can't win games in this nba with that. he's useless as a PnR big and Kemba's been one of the best PnR bigs in the league for the past 4 years.

that's what i'm talking about bruh

 

[chowism]

a double double is nice and all but when all you gotta do is trap him or force him to catch it more than 10 feet out, that's not helping all that much.

you have to double kemba high or blitz the PnR - that means either kemba splits it and scores solo or he passes it to dwight at the top of the key

...i don't have to explain how useless Dwight is at the elbow. you can't win games in this nba with that. he's useless as a PnR big and Kemba's been one of the best PnR bigs in the league for the past 4 years.

that's what i'm talking about bruh

Bruh stop it, most player's have a weakness. Yes Dwight is more of a traditional Center minus the actual lethal post up skills but that man has been balling this year. It's dishonest as hell to act like only Kemba has been a factor on that team. We pretending a 15 point and 12 rebounder a game player isn't important now? Not to mention that Dwight has been playing solid defense also.

 

[Left.A1]

kemba's a bad defender now? he just locked up Lillard and dropped 40 on him one game ago

and a good 6'10 defender is always gonna have more floor impact than a smaller defender of the same caliber just because of the nature of the game - point guards aren't flying off the weak side to challenge shots at the rim for a living

A.Kemba has been a pretty mediocre to bad defender practically his whole career are you saying we should ignore that and start calling Kemba Walker a good defender because supposedly “he locked down Lillard once”?

That’s what we are going to do to prop him up...that’s where we’re at?




The second part of your post I don’t agree with either ... a good perimeter defender reduces the amount of penetration to begin with thus you don’t need as much constant weakside assistance and players don’t have to leave their assignments causing rotational breakdowns ...additionally you thinking that Ben is a more impactful defender simply due to his natural size advantage is really irrelevant to the point ... in fact that just makes the arguement for Ben even stronger actually because you are conceding that he is clearly more helpful to a team on an entire side of the ball ..which is true of course

....but none of this really matters in regards this conversation however as Kemba Walker is not a good defender to begin with ..he unfortunately lacks the length and doesn’t consistently play with the physicality needed on that end to deserve such distinction...the stats and eye test make that clear... so even trying to use this cop out for something Ben is clearly superior at doesn’t work..solid offensive player tho ..


But listen bruh I’m not trying to go back and forth with you ...seeing you insinuating that you think he’s a good defender tells me all I need to know about where this conversation would go ... it’s clear you and others have a personal affinity for Kemba ...you think he for whatever reasons deserves the nod over Ben facts be dammed ... it is what is

 

[Newzz]

First off - you got Lamar Odom fukked up. But don't worry, I got you

Lamar Odom Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
Ben Simmons Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

and before you even start with the other shyt, Lamar Odom was the best player on that Clippers team too: 1999-00 Los Angeles Clippers Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

and this was back when teams weren't cheesing possessions nonstop like they do now. plus he could fukking shoot even at worst, that's not 'hating'

Yall nikkas obviously dont watch the Sixers



Like i said....3 years from now, this thread gonna have alot of posts in them.

 

[42 Monks]

Bruh stop it, most player's have a weakness. Yes Dwight is more of a traditional Center minus the actual lethal post up skills but that man has been balling this year. It's dishonest as hell to act like only Kemba has been a factor on that team. We pretending a 15 point and 12 rebounder a game player isn't important now? Not to mention that Dwight has been playing solid defense also.

When that weakness prevents your offense from contributing to winning consistently winning games then its a hell of a weakness.

And to be straight up, we don't even 'need' his rebounding either because Charlotte's been a top defensive rebounding team in the league for several years now. I appreciate the Dwight stanning tho He's a good guy

Yall nikkas obviously dont watch the Sixers



Like i said....3 years from now, this thread gonna have alot of posts in them.

3 years from now if he's NOT an all-star then people would be disappointed.

refusing to ride simmons nuts ain't hating though breh

A.Kemba has been a pretty mediocre to bad defender practically his whole career

stopped reading right here

 

[Left.A1]

He ain't no fukking rookie. He had an entire year of NBA treatment, NBA coaching, No classes, No Homework, NBA workouts, NBA nutrition, NBA recovery. Went to all the road games, been to every arena in the NBA.

There are still arenas Donovan Mitchell hasn't seen yet. He the real ROY.

And Mitchell had an entire extra year of in game experience to improve his jumpshot better his handle and refine his playmaking ability prepping his NBA transition while Ben was in a walking boot

 

[surv2syn]

on another note, I think Simmons has proved that he is a legit full time PG and not a Point Forward as people try to claim he is. traditionally point forwards have been forwards who still played forward in every aspect but helped out with a lot of the ballhandling responsibilities and played some PG throughout the course of a game. Simmons legit initiates that offense and controls it.

He’s the ROY no other rookie is as game changing as him.

I think ROY has to be considered more in depth this year than the usual statline. Its should be more of an MVR consideration.

Simmons is first in my book, hands down because if you take him from that team they wont make the playoffs.
Mitchell has a strong case no doubt, but I think overall his team is better than the Sixers team w/o Simmons
Tatum has a good case too, even though he is the 4th best player, its on one of top 5 teams in the league and ALL year he has shot much better from the field and 3 than Mitchell. Boston would still be good without him but they would probably be just above .500

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

Take Embiid off the Sixers and they’re in the gutter with Atlanta & Orlando. They go as he goes. They’re 25-17 with him in the lineup and 2-8 when he sits. Winning percentage wise that’s the difference between being a top 3 seed and being the worst in the league

Ok but in that 25-17 record how many of those games did Simmons play in? That's the point y'all missing, take Simmons out of the equation and with just Embid they below .500 too

 

[Blackrogue]

You must be young. Jordan, Duncan, and Shaq made it there rookie years.

OK there's those but in general do you agree there's a bias against selection rooks.? Those guys are top players in the history of the game. Kid is averaging

16.5 pts 7.8 rbds and 7.3 assists. That's massive.

2 rebounds 3 assists away from averaging a triple double in his first year in the league. fukk a kemba walker who they were thinking bout trading. And I looked at his numbers and they are good.
But like I said they not gonna put him in off half a season of play

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

Stay off the crack homie! Ben Simmons overall numbers don't even compare to Kemba's & the only area that Simmons is better than Walker statistically is rebounding, assists, steals & blocks.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

People talking about Kemba carrying his team like his team not 6 games back from the 8th seed

 

[Mandizi]

OK there's those but in general do you agree there's a bias against selection rooks.? Those guys are top players in the history of the game. Kid is averaging

16.5 pts 7.8 rbds and 7.3 assists. That's massive.

2 rebounds 3 assists away from averaging a triple double in his first year in the league. fukk a kemba walker who they were thinking bout trading. And I looked at his numbers and they are good.
But like I said they not gonna put him in off half a season of play

In general yes. I thought Bron and Melo should've made it their rookie seasons.

 

[Left.A1]

Is 17-4-4 All Star numbers?

trashier defense and scoring efficiency too

 

[BXKingPin82]

sheeeeeeit...

Simmons playing ALL-PRO D on both ends when you factor in his garbage ass FT shooting!


and you a muthafukkin guard???