Bernie and the Black Vote

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Since this is a huge issue at the moment, and the old thread we had on this got rolled into another

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Combination of problems here.

1. Sanders personally didn't run a good campaign in SC apparently. He has limitations. He has no longstanding ties to black voters as a support group.

2. The Clintons are liked by most black people. This is hard for lots to get their head around but the 90s were a great time for a lot of people economically. Many black people were lifted out of poverty by the 90s economy. And despite accusations of economic reductionism by sanders, the economy is still the most important issue to black voters and all voters. The issue here is that I suspect longing for the boom of the 90s to return superseded sanders welfare statism with SC blacks.

3. The nature of SC politically was bad for sanders. It's a state with next to no organized labor or independent political grassroots type organizations. Much of the democratic machinery is wrapped in old white party loyalists clubs and the black church. Sanders is not a democrat and thus has no ties to the old local democratic clubs and he had no inroads with the black churches. This is a divide that is exasperated by both sanders geographic isolation and cultural Jewery/spiritual Atheisim.

Clinton on the other hand has great connections within the remnants of the white southern Dems and the black church. The Clintons are southern democrats to the core, they understand how to manage their client groups and have been since the 70s. Clinton is of course also a Methodist and a southern, these matter when it comes to communication.

4. I think HRC's embrace of Obama was atleast partially successful. Black folk, especially older black women, love Obama. Exit polls showed that the perception of disrespect towards Obama on Romney and the GOP's account drove up black turnout and was a primary reason for many black voters.

By cynically painting Sanders as undermining Obama, HRC atleast partly tapped into this. Sanders personally failed to deflect this criticism well. Partly because in fact he and Obama do have pretty large disagreements on matters of policy. And despite sandera not really being an undermining force to Obama's incredibly modest progressive goals, he refused to disavow these differences. Though sanders could have pushed HRC harder on her own differences with Obama on foreign policy, she had an excellent defense of this in that despite these, Obama made her his SoS.

Though I dismissed these at the time, I think maybe cornel west's presence and prominence as a Sanders surrogate wasn't helpful on this front. West's flair for dramatic language has perhaps made him toxic even in the halls from whence he comes. I'm sure his declaration of John Lewis being a neoliberal sellout(which he sorta is, but decorum and all) will not be a helpful thing going forward.

5. I'm sure there are a fair amount of moderate, neoliberal black voters that just prefer those policies.

6. In the end, there are still bright spots. Sanders did better with younger voters. Only losing millennial blacks 45-55(compared to losing over 65 by ~95-3). This indicates that left economics remain a winner with the young across race. This indicates to me that a left candidate not as uniquely weak as sanders in these respects would do better against a moderate, establishment candidate not as uniquely strong in these respects.

The problem with this conclusion is that I currently see no left inheritors of Sandersism that has much stronger variables here. A Warren is marginally better for sure in a number aspects but not decisively. Someone like Keith Ellison has separate cultural barriers, tho he has the unique advantage of being black. Whereas the neoliberal establishment has thoroughbreds like Cory Booker at their disposal in the future.

However, the political landscape is ever changing. In 5 years, from Generalissimo Trump's Very Luxurious Day Spa/Internment Camp, the whole situation may be different.

Was my take on the South Carolina results and it remains my thoughts on the results throughout the rest of the south.

It's important to note here that sanders is succeeding at making inroads in Asian, Hispanic, and native communities. This isn't a minority problem he faces but specifically a black problem. Sanders won or ran close with the Latino vote in Nevada, he won some of the most heavily Latin areas in Colorado last night, and he won the heavily native areas in Oklahoma. Though I've yet to see race based exit polling, these results certainly imply sanders is atleast splitting the non black minority vote

Why the disconnect with black voters here?
 

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Since this is a huge issue at the moment, and the old thread we had on this got rolled into another

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Was my take on the South Carolina results and it remains my thoughts on the results throughout the rest of the south.

It's important to note here that sanders is succeeding at making inroads in Asian, Hispanic, and native communities. This isn't a minority problem he faces but specifically a black problem. Sanders won or ran close with the Latino vote in Nevada, he won some of the most heavily Latin areas in Colorado last night, and he won the heavily native areas in Oklahoma. Though I've yet to see race based exit polling, these results certainly imply sanders is atleast splitting the non black minority vote

Why the disconnect with black voters here?
63% of the black voters in Georgia were over 45. The most reliable Southern black voters are churchgoing women. Sanders is not out there hitting them with speeches about faith and he is not tapped into that church network. That is your answer. Sanders needed black pastors to win, and that's his issue. Crazy as it seems, he would've done well to get Al Sharpton on his side and have him persuade other pastors. Sanders campaign manager (for black people) decided to focus on young black people instead and therein lies his issue. Black women voted at a higher rate than anyone during the last election, and he needed them in the South. He needs a new black outreach leader with religious ties.
 

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63% of the black voters in Georgia were over 45. The most reliable Southern black voters are churchgoing women. Sanders is not out there hitting them with speeches about faith and he is not tapped into that church network. That is your answer. Sanders needed black pastors to win, and that's his issue. Crazy as it seems, he would've done well to get Al Sharpton on his side and have him persuade other pastors. Sanders campaign manager (for black people) decided to focus on young black people instead and therein lies his issue. Black women voted at a higher rate than anyone during the last election, and he needed them in the South. He needs a new black outreach leader with religious ties.

Yeah I've long made the point that most black voters are older women. Which favors Clinton tremendously.

I wonder how much, if at all, sanders' Jewishness affects him here.
 

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Why the disconnect with black voters here?
given Sander's unique platform, the better question is why the disconnect with any voter, not part of the upper class? my take is that those voters haven't heard the message (early media blackout and shilling for HRC) or are easily distracted by shiny objects (look! a Clinton!, he can't win, look at his hair, he's a grumpy old man, etc...)
 

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given Sander's unique platform, the better question is why the disconnect with any voter, not part of the upper class? my take is that those voters haven't heard the message (early media blackout and shilling for HRC) or are easily distracted by shiny objects (look! a Clinton!, he can't win, look at his hair, he's a grumpy old man, etc...)

I try to have a little faith in black folk so I really hope this isn't true
 

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given Sander's unique platform, the better question is why the disconnect with any voter, not part of the upper class? my take is that those voters haven't heard the message (early media blackout and shilling for HRC) or are easily distracted by shiny objects (look! a Clinton!, he can't win, look at his hair, he's a grumpy old man, etc...)
This basically. Faith or no faith. AL Sharpton wasn't going to help Bernie, as we know damned well he's been irrelevant to us for 16 years :russ:. What he would've done was a quid pro quo, and Bernie's not about that life, which is why nearly every senator endorsed Hillary.

Bernie is about to get into the Rust belt, and we'll see if Hillary's generalities, when she also flip flopped on TPP after her husband made himself responsible for NAFTA, will help her there. I say Bernie starts getting his groove on starting March 8th in Michigan, because those fukkers are tired of both incompetent, establishment identity politics, and privatization.
 
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I try to have a little faith in black folk so I really hope this isn't true
From my observation, blacks aren't very informed voters.

I worked a campaign against a Haitian woman who fukked over ALFs and some other shyt. Documented but her district includes a majority of black americans and her husband is an American with a slave name. She has his slave name. I was working for a Haitian dude and she's still winning that seat to this day because they refuse to vote in a Haitian not knowing they're voting in a worse Haitian. Miami. Smh.
 
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From my observation, blacks aren't very informed voters.
they're going to have to stop crying and take the criticism for this. This country isn't built to constantly kiss out asses and avoid criticizing us. If you want to be seen like intellectual heavyweights, don't keep trying to bully a Yes from yourselves and White people.....SHOW IT.

All the crying is doing is revealing the entitlement complex these racists are getting sick of. We're better than this. We have to keep religion in the back pocket for fuel and go grab some facts and not confirmation bias conspiracy shyt. I have faith in we're definitely IQ saturated, but if we don't start pushing ourselves, they will push us right the fukk out of the way for another minority. We're seeing this now.
 
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