Bill and Melinda Gates: Textbooks Are Becoming Obsolete

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Bill and Melinda Gates: Textbooks Are Becoming Obsolete

Thanks to software, Bill and Melinda Gates report in their 2019 Annual Letter, textbooks are becoming obsolete.
Bill writes:
"I read more than my share of textbooks. But it's a pretty limited way to learn something. Even the best text can't figure out which concepts you understand and which ones you need more help with. It certainly can't tell your teacher how well you grasped last night's assigned reading. But now, thanks to software, the standalone textbook is becoming a thing of the past" (if so, it'll be a 60-year overnight success!).
The Gates are putting their money where their mouths are -- their education investments include look-Ma-no-textbooks Khan Academy and Code.org. Code.org, whose AP Computer Science Principles course for high schools "does not require or follow a textbook", boasted in its just-released Annual Report that 38% of all AP CS exam takers in 2018 came from "Code.org Computer Science Principles classrooms," adding that it had spent $24.2 million of its donors' money on curriculum and its Code Studio learning platform (30,300 hours of coursework), another $46.7 million to prepare 87,000 new K-12 CS teachers, $12.4 million on Marketing, and $6.9 million on Government Affairs. So, do we still need textbooks?
 

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that's one way to think about it, but there are a lot of people like me who learn and remember shyt better in analog. there are some topics, like CS - duh, where jumping into software is of course better than reading something, but shyt like history/social sciences, even math - me reading/highlighting a textbook >> reading from a screen. me writing things with a pen and paper >> taking notes on a laptop/tablet.
 

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that's one way to think about it, but there are a lot of people like me who learn and remember shyt better in analog. there are some topics, like CS - duh, where jumping into software is of course better than reading something, but shyt like history/social sciences, even math - me reading/highlighting a textbook >> reading from a screen. me writing things with a pen and paper >> taking notes on a laptop/tablet.
not true at all. its the same words. and you shouldnt be taking notes at all actually.

The combination of the proper e-books. like smartbooks, where they test you while you read. they can also break out all of the fluff and give you the guts only if you like. then quiz you on some stuff, and depending on your answers it will know you know a part, half, or the entire subject matter and it will tell you to move along in your reading. vs the old school way of just reading chpt 1 - 3 and having to go back thru the entire thing to try and see what you didnt get vs what you did. countless hours are wasted with heavy studying students who go over stuff they dont need to because they already know that part.

Between a book like that, and the power points for each chapter. I promise you, you will know a lot more of the book with these two tools vs the old school methods of analog paper book and pen/paper.
 

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not true at all. its the same words. and you shouldnt be taking notes at all actually.

The combination of the proper e-books. like smartbooks, where they test you while you read. they can also break out all of the fluff and give you the guts only if you like. then quiz you on some stuff, and depending on your answers it will know you know a part, half, or the entire subject matter and it will tell you to move along in your reading. vs the old school way of just reading chpt 1 - 3 and having to go back thru the entire thing to try and see what you didnt get vs what you did. countless hours are wasted with heavy studying students who go over stuff they dont need to because they already know that part.

Between a book like that, and the power points for each chapter. I promise you, you will know a lot more of the book with these two tools vs the old school methods of analog paper book and pen/paper.
uh no, it's been proven writing things physically helps with retention. furthermore all this e learning shyt has been in the work place for years, it leads me to skim, half listen, find keywords i know will be tested and regurgitate the answer.


if this works for some, great, but don't sit here and tell me how i'd learn/RETAIN more information when i've experienced various combinations of all of that and know analog is what sticks with me.
 

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not true at all. its the same words. and you shouldnt be taking notes at all actually.

The combination of the proper e-books. like smartbooks, where they test you while you read. they can also break out all of the fluff and give you the guts only if you like. then quiz you on some stuff, and depending on your answers it will know you know a part, half, or the entire subject matter and it will tell you to move along in your reading. vs the old school way of just reading chpt 1 - 3 and having to go back thru the entire thing to try and see what you didnt get vs what you did. countless hours are wasted with heavy studying students who go over stuff they dont need to because they already know that part.

Between a book like that, and the power points for each chapter. I promise you, you will know a lot more of the book with these two tools vs the old school methods of analog paper book and pen/paper.
This depends greatly on the material being studied.

Math for instance is best studied in repetition and practice which is best done through physical writing. Your suggested method would be more applicable to maybe basic science or history where general understanding is required to build upon.
 

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uh no, it's been proven writing things physically helps with retention. furthermore all this e learning shyt has been in the work place for years, it leads me to skim, half listen, find keywords i know will be tested and regurgitate the answer.


if this works for some, great, but don't sit here and tell me how i'd learn/RETAIN more information when i've experienced various combinations of all of that and know analog is what sticks with me.
it was shown that writing things does help with learning. yeah that is if you're trying to MEMORIZE something. I'm not talking about memorization which is what the past educational system in the US was based on. how good of a memory do you have. not how good your logical and analytical thinking is. The internet and all of these different ways to save data for very long periods of time with super quick access to it means we dont need to use that old method of memory only any more. we need to go towards a more analytical style of thinking. If i need something i forgot. i will google it/search for it. it takes a second to do. But it takes much more than a second to analyze information and come up with a logical solution.

oh so great, you remember how to work the fries machine. you've memorized the pictures on the cash register at mcdonalds. Thats going to get you where in the future?

What happens when i give you a brand new register with new buttons and new pictures. you dont know how to logically deduce that certain buttons are always the same because you analyzed these machines to figure out that its a patter for all mcdonalds and all fast food joints. the big buttons are always the enter/return button, the small button at the top right is always going to be Side order stuff like fries.. So you dont need a week long training on it.

and if you really want all the specifics to your new machine. GOOGLE IT.

Spending time taking notes is not where the learning comes in. they are talking about working out problems or writing papers. taking notes is actually you trying to multi-task. sure we like using that word but studies show men are horrible at it and people period are not that good at it. this means something will take a back seat when you are doing or trying to do two or more things at once. you're trying to take notes(write and memorize what the professor is saying) while also LISTEN to what he/she is saying so you can take it in and think about what was just said for understanding.

I use to do that too until i realized, When a teacher, professor, trainer, Your boss. gives you the email, the power point, the PDF file, etc with what they want. You can then just LISTEN to them speak so then you dont have to worry about each word to take notes. you worry about the essence of the discussion. what are they TRYING to say vs what they are actually saying(that you would normally be trying to hurry up and write down.) What they want/need, etc You can understand their logic and where they are coming from without having to try to memorize what was just said so you can write it down.

now you say you just skim. stop skimming. thats your own fault. and i just told you there are smart books, where if you skim too much it will test your knowledge. you will get some answers wrong. and it will force you to read those parts again until you actually know that information. now if you're hell bent on not paying attention like that. you can just keep guessing and guess and guessing until it runs out of new questions and you then Memorize the answers(all school style). but to do that would take you a lot more time than to just follow along and read properly as it shows you.

Sorry bruh. The new book and PPT stuff I'm talking about is way better for Learning. there is no if ands or butts about it. You may be talking about one of those two things. I'm talking about having them both together at the same time. if you havent had the ability to read a smartbook you dont know what i'm takling about. just say that and we can go from there. oh by the way, you can go back thru the book, and highlight the ebook. take those highlights and create flashcards out of them. saving a ton of time.

This is what i'm talking about when i said smart book

McGraw-Hill reveals the SmartBook: an 'adaptive' e-book for students

This aint no joke bruh. This was back in 2013, we're 6 years removed from that. so you know that the algorithms are much better now.

The new "LearnSmart Advantage" suite takes adaptive learning – one of the biggest trends in education in 2012 – beyond the realm of course study tools by using adaptive technology to provide more dynamic, personalized learning experiences across new aspects of the student learning experience. Included in the suite is SmartBook™, the world's first ever adaptive e-book, which revolutionizes college reading by focusing students' attention on the content that is most critical to their learning.

Adaptive learning is a method of education that seeks to personalize learning by using sophisticated algorithmic technology to continually assess students' knowledge, skill and confidence levels and design targeted study paths based on the resulting data to bolster students' understanding in the areas where they need to improve the most. By allowing students to focus their outside-of-class study time on the topics and concepts that are most challenging to them, adaptive learning has been shown to help students study more efficiently, develop greater proficiency and earn better grades.

Adaptive learning also benefits instructors: By better preparing students for class, adaptive learning enables instructors to spend more time delving into advanced concepts and engaging students in high-level discussion. The LearnSmart Advantage suite builds on the success of McGraw-Hill LearnSmart™, the company's industry leading adaptive study tool. With more than 1 million unique student users "Since the launch of LearnSmart in 2009, we've developed a deep understanding of how personalized learning through adaptive technology helps improve student performance," said Brian Kibby, president of McGraw-Hill Higher Education. "Bringing our expertise and proven effectiveness in adaptive learning to new areas of the learning experience represents an enormous opportunity, both for McGraw-Hill Education and students, instructors and institutions across the country. With the launch of SmartBook and the rest of the LearnSmart Advantage suite, we continue to lead higher education in using adaptive technology to help improve student performance."

The following new products are joining LearnSmart in the LearnSmart Advantage suite:

• SmartBook – an adaptive e-book that creates a more efficient and effective reading experience by assessing students' knowledge and skill levels as they read and highlighting content that focuses their attention on the topics and concepts that they have yet to master. SmartBook represents a breakthrough achievement in reading, as it breaks the centuries-old tradition of books as linear experiences that presume to be read in their entirety, and in a pre-defined sequence, in order to be understood.

• LearnSmart Prep – a "before-the-course" adaptive resource designed to prepare students entering complex courses that are critical to the completion of their major or degree (such as Anatomy & Physiology, Organic Chemistry, or Majors Biology) with the knowledge and skills they need to be successful on day one of class. Students can also use LearnSmart Prep in the early weeks of a course to ensure that they are prepared for concepts and assignments that will come later in the course.

• LearnSmart Labs – a photo-realistic virtual lab experience that uses adaptive technology to enable meaningful scientific exploration and learning while eliminating many of the practical challenges of a physical lab setting. By allowing students to practice their experiments in a virtual lab setting, LearnSmart Labs allows students and instructors to maximize the valuable time spent in the physical laboratory. For online and blended courses, LearnSmart Labs offers the closest thing available to an actual physical laboratory experience, enabling students to put the concepts they have learned in class to the virtual test without requiring access to a brick-and-mortar lab.

• LearnSmart Achieve – a comprehensive adaptive learning system that pinpoints students' areas of weakness and supplies students with targeted content, including videos, interactive activities and additional readings. LearnSmart Achieve gives students on-the-spot tutoring at times when they may not have access to their professors and also provides a time management feature that guides students through the content and resources at a pace that is best for them. The LearnSmart Advantage suite enables institutions to adopt adaptive learning as an institution-wide practice, creating a cycle of student performance improvement across disciplines and classes. McGraw-Hill Education also plans to offer the products in the LearnSmart Advantage suite available to students or their parents to purchase directly. The company entered the consumer market for adaptive technology in the summer of 2012 when it made LearnSmart for sale directly to students and parents.
 

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Anyone else have to buy a "recent" book from his/her professor in college where they modified a few words and created a new version of the book to not allow the purchase of old books?

Never worked for me, I always improvised but wanted to see from others?

That said, my 11 year old son has a huge backpack filled with heavy books. I told him the other day they need to just give kids tablets and import the audio book version. Kills me
 

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This depends greatly on the material being studied.

Math for instance is best studied in repetition and practice which is best done through physical writing. Your suggested method would be more applicable to maybe basic science or history where general understanding is required to build upon.
and thats what i just said. taking notes aint where the learning happens. thats memorizing things to write it back down. you didnt learn anything by doing that just memorized what was said long enough to write it down.

The learning happens during the problems, solutions phase when we're talking about math/science. to be specific.

but thats not what we were talking about. we're talking about reading text books. but shoot, those smart books or khan academy style learning is still better than grabbing an old book and going thru it even a good old book. why? because this new tech now knows what you dont know and what you do know. so it will constantly hit you with problems from the stuff you dont yet know. so you can get that part and keep it moving.

people get passed on all the time from pre algebra to algebra I, then to Alg II, so on and so on. they may even have B's in the class. But the truth is, there are things in pre alg, alg I and alg 2 that they never figure out how out how to solve. they just got enough A's and B's to cover the times they got D's or F's or even low C's. This is also the reason why people in general are so afraid of math/science. ONce they start racking up the stuff they dont know and its not addressed early and often. they get further...and further behind which makes even the smartest people feel ill almost. and makes most people give up as kids. if you give up early, you will never get better or cover those holes. you will go on thru life with those holes in those areas. so now you have to pray you never see those things in the real world.
 

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Anyone else have to buy a "recent" book from his/her professor in college where they modified a few words and created a new version of the book to not allow the purchase of old books?

Never worked for me, I always improvised but wanted to see from others?

That said, my 11 year old son has a huge backpack filled with heavy books. I told him the other day they need to just give kids tablets and import the audio book version. Kills me
yes, and those heavy books and backpack is going to cost you a many of back pack. and will hurt your sons shoulders. tell them to give him a book for the house and one for the class. or you find the pdf versions online some where. its not healthy to have those super heavy books on your shoulders like that. your shoulders will start drooping. think about it, its that much weight on a kid that isnt fully developed. they already have done studies on this as well. its bad for your health. my last few years in high school me and my friends found the excess books closet. we jacked a buck for every class. left one book for class in the locker. left the homework books at home. walked around campus as light as a feather. my back stopped bothering me and our shoulders stopped hurting. my last straw was my 3rd backup that broke on my. jansport or something high end. I was running across the street(no light at this corner). traffic going fast. I running as usual and bam my back pack snapped. books all over. cars screeching. i hesitated at first to stop and turn around but i had to get out the street. i was like Nope, I',m done.

Oh and yes professors in college will add a couple of things just to make you pay for a new edition. straight shady. here's the trick. if it's history unless its current events. there is nothing new to add to historical events. If it's science unless its a new break thru, what could they possibly add?

if its math, math aint changed. its still the same.

You see my point. but you already saw my point when you asked about it lol.
 

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Breh, ain’t nobody reading that wall of text. No one said analog is the only way to learn, you learn through multiple mediums - reading, listening, doing. And that’s basically what you’re stating. But some people learn/retain information from a certain format better. And that’s not just some interactive e-format.
 

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I like books. They're physical. Once printed, uneditable. I can access them offline. They can't disappear or be altered because of an update.

I agree that learning should be, maybe even needs, to be updated for the 21st century. But I'm not ready for a world devoid of analog reading material.
 

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Like this shyt really matters. The school systems are usually about sixty years behind anyway.
 

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This is pretty much already happening. The results haven't been as positive as I expected, in my experience at least.
 
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