Bill Simmons says he'll take Nash ahead of Iverson

[ManBearPig]

If he had what it takes then why didn't he do it

Y'all seem to forget that same exact Bucks squad he led, collapsed the next year and didn't even make the playoffs. That squad had talent too but according to you he would've easily led a team like Philly to the finals

Reggie ain't carry those Pacers like AI carried Philly

Only person that has done what AI did was LeBron in 2018 and 2007.

The 02 Bucks won 2 games fewer than the 02 Sixers ain't u acting like they were some 20 win team or something.

The sixers went from a Finals appearance to losing in the first round so what point are u trying to make? They lost to Paul Pierce and a bunch of scrubs.

 

[Houston911]

I'm talking about prime Nash on that 01 Sixers. If you are gonna bring up them guys in 01 then why couldn't AI do nothing in Denver?

Yall gotta stop with this “prime nash” shyt

players don’t hit their prime at age 30. There is no “prime nash”, there is dantoni nash. Plain and simple

What kinda of “superstar” player is in their prime, requesting less than a max deal, and gets told to kick rocks?

the same outrageous jump that nash made going from Dallas to dantoni, iverson would have made the same Jump or an even bigger jump because he was a much more talented player

 

[Consumed]

What kinda of “superstar” player is in their prime, requesting less than a max deal, and gets told to kick rocks?

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"I'll say it now, if you would have told me Steve would have been playing eight years later I would have bet any amount of money you'd be wrong.


"The thing about Steve is his discipline. I knew he was disciplined, but I thought he would fall apart before it mattered,'' Cuban said. "All the advice I got from everybody we had was that he was going to fall apart. He proved us wrong -- and more power to him.

"I give him a lot of credit. He proved me definitely wrong.''

injury concerns were the biggest reason Nash was allowed to walk. He struggled with ankle, achilles, and back issues in Dallas. The best thing Phoenix did for him was work to improve his health and prolong his career.

 

[10bandz]

Nash > Iverson

Now I dont fukk with Bill Simmons or that Cac shyt
Nash is my biased favorite player, but hear me out.

Iverson was a 2 guard... Nash was a pure point. You cant compare them at all. Saying Finals this or bullshyt that is tired too, East Vs West kills that argument

I take Nash based on the fact that he was a machine and 80% of the offense nightly ran through him and he was shooting at the highest percentage of all time
while carrying bums (which I'm not going to discuss in every Suns thread) A.I carried bums too obviously. Saying I'd take Nash over Iverson isnt saying Iverson is bad by any measure.
I look at people like Stockton, who gets absolutely no credit even while playing D ... and its obvious most people just arent going to jump on board with greatness (race or not) based on what style they like.
Saying Nash was eh... or average is disproven by his efficiency and wins for over a decade. D'antoni gets credit for Nash calling plays in a freelance offense which shaped the game that's happening today.

How is a player who played like 18 years and was only elite in his early 30s a machine? YALL WOULD NEVER JUDGE A BLACK PLAYER ON THE SAME MERITS

I'm talking about prime Nash on that 01 Sixers. If you are gonna bring up them guys in 01 then why couldn't AI do nothing in Denver?

nikka prime Nash was 31 years old and played 31 mpg he wasn’t gonna carry the 01 Sixers NOWHERE you nikkas are CACS

 

[10bandz]

If you pick nash over AI under any circumstance you’re either a cac, c00n, or innocent breh who is brainwashed by cac propaganda

 

[10bandz]

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injury concerns were the biggest reason Nash was allowed to walk. He struggled with ankle, achilles, and back issues in Dallas. The best thing Phoenix did for him was work to improve his health and prolong his career.

Exactly he was a system player....MDA and suns medical system made him look good. Now compare that to AI who just balled out and 21 and didn’t need to wait 6 years to break out

 

[klientel]

It’s all circumstantial

depends on the team drafting, what they have in place already and who is coaching. Put AI on a team full of young potential and that shyt might not work. Put AI on a squad with vets that just need an alpha and you got something.

Overall Nash might be the easier player to build around, but AI is a franchise builder. You might not win shyt but your team is gonna be popular as hell

 

[10bandz]

It’s all circumstantial

depends on the team drafting, what they have in place already and who is coaching. Put AI on a team full of young potential and that shyt might not work. Put AI on a squad with vets that just need an alpha and you got something.

Overall Nash might be the easier player to build around, but AI is a franchise builder. You might not win shyt but your team is gonna be popular as hell

If you put Nash on a team full of young potential what’s gonna happen? Nash wasn’t even good until 6 years later How is it “easier to build” around a guy who isn’t an all star until he’s 27 and averaged 7ppg for his first 4 seasons. That’s your main piece?

 

[10bandz]

AI and Nash were drafted the same years....AI took the team that drafted him to the finals within 5 years....Nash got traded from the team that drafted him after 2 years and spent 4 years in Dallas before being an all star....but nikkas saying Nash would be better to build a team around

 

[EBK String]

Nash never made the finals. A.I. did with a worse team than those Suns teams that couldn't get it done.

 

[murksiderock]

Lmao how did Ray Allen enter this debate? Dude is a Robin through and through, you can't put him in conversation with these guys...

Nash and Iverson are similar stature, neither was much better than the other. You can't have a real conversation about Iverson without nikkas getting in their feelings, as evidenced in this thread, because he was an icon to most black kids that grew up watching him...

All the points about why you shouldn't choose either have already been presented, I'll just add this. Iverson, a superstar, played in the weakest conference and weakest era in the entire history of the NBA for pretty much his entire prime. In his prime, he led his team to:

•('99) equivalent of 46 wins, 6-seed, swept from 2nd Rd
•('00) 49 wins, 5-seed, 2nd Rd exit
•('01) 56 wins, 1-seed, L Finals
•('02) 43 wins, 6-seed, L 1st Rd
•('03) 48 wins, 4-seed, L 2nd Rd
•('04) team went 19-29 (.396) with him, 14-20 (.412) without him, missed playoffs
•('05) 43 wins, 7-seed, L 1st Rd
•('06) 38 wins, missed playoffs

Iverson was an inefficient Kyrie, before there was a Kyrie. That '01 year was lightning in a bottle, he never elevated a team to the ECF again, remember, in the weakest era of basketball history. He was excitement and captivating but that '01 run was a one-off...

Conversely, Nash was an elite point for two of the best offensive coaches of all time. I don't have an issue with an assertion Nash was a system player, but I think you then have to point out Nash's adaptability and ease of fitting pieces around him. His prime started later than Iverson's, but also lasted longer...

Ultimately they are in the same class of greatness. Like someone up thread mentioned, some of yall gotta stop acting like hoes because someone prefers a different HOFer. They were both great players. I think Nash was slightly better, but I grew up idolizing Iverson because well, that's what all black kids did growing up in the 00s, pretty much...

 

[Apprentice]

Nash(a dude who couldn't take a team with Amar'e, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion & Quentin Richardson to the finals) is going to take a team with Mutombo, Eric Snow, Aaron Mckee, Tyrone Hill & Matt Geiger to the finals?

Question was playoffs, you and everyone who dapped this post struggle to read and comprehend conversation

 

[Apprentice]

Lmao how did Ray Allen enter this debate? Dude is a Robin through and through, you can't put him in conversation with these guys...

Nash and Iverson are similar stature, neither was much better than the other. You can't have a real conversation about Iverson without nikkas getting in their feelings, as evidenced in this thread, because he was an icon to most black kids that grew up watching him...

All the points about why you shouldn't choose either have already been presented, I'll just add this. Iverson, a superstar, played in the weakest conference and weakest era in the entire history of the NBA for pretty much his entire prime. In his prime, he led his team to:

•('99) equivalent of 46 wins, 6-seed, swept from 2nd Rd
•('00) 49 wins, 5-seed, 2nd Rd exit
•('01) 56 wins, 1-seed, L Finals
•('02) 43 wins, 6-seed, L 1st Rd
•('03) 48 wins, 4-seed, L 2nd Rd
•('04) team went 19-29 (.396) with him, 14-20 (.412) without him, missed playoffs
•('05) 43 wins, 7-seed, L 1st Rd
•('06) 38 wins, missed playoffs

Iverson was an inefficient Kyrie, before there was a Kyrie. That '01 year was lightning in a bottle, he never elevated a team to the ECF again, remember, in the weakest era of basketball history. He was excitement and captivating but that '01 run was a one-off...

Conversely, Nash was an elite point for two of the best offensive coaches of all time. I don't have an issue with an assertion Nash was a system player, but I think you then have to point out Nash's adaptability and ease of fitting pieces around him. His prime started later than Iverson's, but also lasted longer...

Ultimately they are in the same class of greatness. Like someone up thread mentioned, some of yall gotta stop acting like hoes because someone prefers a different HOFer. They were both great players. I think Nash was slightly better, but I grew up idolizing Iverson because well, that's what all black kids did growing up in the 00s, pretty much...

Lol nikkas in the thread arguing posters are white because they think a 2x MVP could be better than Iverson

 

[10bandz]

Nash never made the finals. A.I. did with a worse team than those Suns teams that couldn't get it done.

imagine a black guy not hitting his prime until he was 30 and being considered the “same greatness” as a black guy who was a star at 21 these nikkas really expose themselves in here

 

[Consumed]

Exactly he was a system player....MDA and suns medical system made him look good. Now compare that to AI who just balled out and 21 and didn’t need to wait 6 years to break out

First time I've ever heard a good medical staff being included in a system. And Nash was good before MDA. What helped is Phoenix giving him much more responsibility, which he was always suited to handle when healthy in Dallas. Even in a secondary role in Dallas the Mavericks produced some of the best offenses in the era. If Nash were entirely unremarkable in Dallas you and others who dismiss that stretch may have some merit. But the fact that they were so good offensively with him (coincided with Nash becoming healthy in 2001) does add to his legacy.

Iverson was immediately better at an earlier age than Nash, so if you're going to argue you want to draft him based on that, I get it. But you need to understand that the opposing argument for taking Nash over Iverson is that contributes more value to balanced, contending rosters that don't rely on a single player to dominate offensive usage. Magic is the only point guard to play this game better than Nash at elevating the players around him through on ball playmaking. He would constantly push the ball down a defenses throat and force them to at choose between two terrible positions - either one of the most efficient creators to ever play the game of basketball gets an open shot, or a teammate does. Iverson is a better fit for teams that have desolate offensive talent. But these are not teams built to contend with any semblance of longevity (Sixers caught lightning in a bottle in 2001. There's a reason he never came close to the Finals again).

In 2006 when Amare was out for the season with a knee injury the Suns replaced him his minutes Kurt Thomas. Nash spent most of his time on the floor with a lineup that included Thomas, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion and Eddie House. All capable spot up shooters, but none of them were good creators or even strong offensive players when away from a great playmaker or team that encourages ball movement. Marion gets overrated when people think of his offense as anything more than efficient finishing; he was never a good isolationist or playmaker to run an offense. Nash made those lineups still elite offensively in a way that they would not be with a singular isolation force who is less good at feeding teammates around him, keeping them in rhythm, and when their own number is called they score with elite efficiency.

In general, you just need to calm down with acting like its some disrespect to Iverson to take Nash over him. He was not as good as you think he was. and Nash was better than you think he was. You can make arguments for Iverson without disrespect to an all time great. Someone you should be appreciating more as a fan of basketball.