Ninja have you heard players talk about Allen Iverson
Bill Simmons says he'll take Nash ahead of Iverson
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Be retarded bruh
Not surprising. Simmons was at the front of the line of people crowing Nash back in the day.
:Magic voice: Stee Nash is the single greatest, non-championship, example of the power of circumstance (not to mention complexion for the protection :mooney
. I can't take a players seriously in an all time discusion if that discusion doesn't start until damn near a decade into his career after he's turned 30. No one would have thought to say this on his 30th birthday, after he had been in the league for 8 years. Players don't just miraculously go from pretty good, fringe all star to one of the best players in the league and an all time great at 30 years old after nearly a decade in the league. If dude stays in Dallas we'd never hear his name anymore and he certainly wouldn't be viewed like he is now. I personally prefer players that impact what goes on around them more than guys that are impacted by what goes on around them. Pretty sure someone is gonna suggest that the latter doesnt apply to Nash. When you do, please explain why that wasn't apparent for almost a decade and then it just happened to become apparent in an offense where we are currently (or at least were 
)watching someone else cheese the regular season.
:Magic voice: Stee Nash is the single greatest, non-championship, example of the power of circumstance (not to mention complexion for the protection :mooney
. I can't take a players seriously in an all time discusion if that discusion doesn't start until damn near a decade into his career after he's turned 30. No one would have thought to say this on his 30th birthday, after he had been in the league for 8 years. Players don't just miraculously go from pretty good, fringe all star to one of the best players in the league and an all time great at 30 years old after nearly a decade in the league. If dude stays in Dallas we'd never hear his name anymore and he certainly wouldn't be viewed like he is now. I personally prefer players that impact what goes on around them more than guys that are impacted by what goes on around them. Pretty sure someone is gonna suggest that the latter doesnt apply to Nash. When you do, please explain why that wasn't apparent for almost a decade and then it just happened to become apparent in an offense where we are currently (or at least were )watching someone else cheese the regular season.
Torrential
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AI was a superior guard in every way besides passing. Nash was the better playmaker . AI could do everything Nash could do offensively and more.
Nash was in the west going up against teams that eventually became champs or at the least WCF champs.
if AI was in the west he wouldnt have a finals appearance either.
that nikka would routinely get his ass whooped by the Spurs just like Nash did.
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RealDaejon
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Most people ,myself included, have Iverson ranked higher than Nash, myself only slightly (#42 and #47 IMO), in terms of the Greatest players ever list. But I would rather have Nash instead of Iverson. Nash is a team first player capable of running an efficient offense that can overcome most obstacles, shown by his multiple deep playoff runs with various teams, his 2006 run with 2/5 starters injured shows that. But his willingness to run a team first offense and not gun at times also hindered him. That one playoff run in '05 when he let it fly was incredible, he put up 24/11 on 52/39/92 in 15 games. Imagine if he was gunning like Iverson, I have no doubt in my mind he would put up around 25/8. He also ran the #1 offense for 8 years straight, with different coaches,systems and players.
But let's be real here, neither could really play defense, because they weren't big enough. We all respect and revere Iverson, but I ain't taking him over Kobe, Nash, and Ray Allen if I'm trying to win.
Iverson needs a specific team around him, other scorers don't fit well with him. That's why his deepest runs were with scrappers and defenders. When he was with Melo, one of the greatest scorers ever, he had 2 consecutive 1st round exits. He's played with a lot of different types of players, including, but not limited to, future 30 PPG scorer Jerry Stackhouse, 2 players who won Defensive Player of The Years while they were actively on his team (Mutombo in '01 and Marcus Camby in '07), Andre Iguodala and Kyle Korver simultaneously, C Webb (a bit unfair, but he was still dropping 20/10 with Iverson), that's just to name a few. He's a very hard player to build around. He's very rigid in who he is as a player. He's also, to be fair, probably one of the cheapest players to build around, since you can find defenders and scrappers almost anywhere. He even had a young Bowen on his team for just slightly above the minimum, then almost immediately he shows he's one of the best defenders on the planet after he leaves Philliy and gets traded to Miami, then makes the All-Defensive 2nd team.
The one time he did make the Finals, it was because Stern rigged the Bucks vs 76ers so the more marketable match-up of Kobe vs Iverson would happen. Maybe it was just the fact that the East was weak and some team from the East had to go to the Finals. I do hold him playing in the East and not getting deeper runs more often against him, like I do Tracy McGrady. The East at that time was probably the weakest conference in the history of the NBA, up until about '04. So I don't hold a lot of the East stars runs in as high a regard as others if they haven't succeeded in the West, prior to or after their East runs.
But let's be real here, neither could really play defense, because they weren't big enough. We all respect and revere Iverson, but I ain't taking him over Kobe, Nash, and Ray Allen if I'm trying to win.
Iverson needs a specific team around him, other scorers don't fit well with him. That's why his deepest runs were with scrappers and defenders. When he was with Melo, one of the greatest scorers ever, he had 2 consecutive 1st round exits. He's played with a lot of different types of players, including, but not limited to, future 30 PPG scorer Jerry Stackhouse, 2 players who won Defensive Player of The Years while they were actively on his team (Mutombo in '01 and Marcus Camby in '07), Andre Iguodala and Kyle Korver simultaneously, C Webb (a bit unfair, but he was still dropping 20/10 with Iverson), that's just to name a few. He's a very hard player to build around. He's very rigid in who he is as a player. He's also, to be fair, probably one of the cheapest players to build around, since you can find defenders and scrappers almost anywhere. He even had a young Bowen on his team for just slightly above the minimum, then almost immediately he shows he's one of the best defenders on the planet after he leaves Philliy and gets traded to Miami, then makes the All-Defensive 2nd team.
The one time he did make the Finals, it was because Stern rigged the Bucks vs 76ers so the more marketable match-up of Kobe vs Iverson would happen. Maybe it was just the fact that the East was weak and some team from the East had to go to the Finals. I do hold him playing in the East and not getting deeper runs more often against him, like I do Tracy McGrady. The East at that time was probably the weakest conference in the history of the NBA, up until about '04. So I don't hold a lot of the East stars runs in as high a regard as others if they haven't succeeded in the West, prior to or after their East runs.
you nikkas are trying to hard with this shyt
They are equals. CP3 and AI also weren't drafted on the same team as KJ and J. Kidd. Not one of these players are playing above Kidd or KJ on that Suns squad. I'll give you the point that it took Nash longer to get rolling, but once he did he was equal, if not better, than CP3 in my mind.....and it wasn't just D'antoni system. Nash didn't always need the ball like Chris does. He could curl off screens or let someone else get busy if needed.....That said, I'd probably still take Chris over Nash over AI, CP3's soul is dog shyt, but I don't think it's an insult they're in the same grouping.
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Also, y'all may hate him, but if you're ever curious as to why Spotify gave the man 200 million, we have a 15 page thread arguing about something he said on a site that apparently "hates" him. 200 million is light for that type of reach. I bet you money Reddit has several threads going on him now too.
seemorecizzy
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nash aint better den no fukkin A.I. lmao
white boys say the funniest things
white boys say the funniest things
seemorecizzy
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steve nash isnt even close to chris paul
you got a lot of nerve
You’re a cac and a dikkriding LeGBT weirdo
You be in the LWO thread saying random inaccurate shyt and you butthurt cuz I stay calling you out on it 
aren’t you like 45 stfu you cornball, only lames hate on AI and prop up cacs who hit their primes at 31.