Blacks adopting ideals that are supposed to be for whites unappreciation thread

[K.Dot]

The Chicago/respectability politics/conspiracy theories is ridiculous. All that shyt is aimed at white conservative racist cacs and yet blacks eat that shyt all up.


Look at this article Why blacks believe in the American Dream more than whites

Why the fukk do we believe in the American dream more than cacs do .

And don't even get me started on Christianity

 

[Rout3r2035]

The dumb/smarts have completely taken over The Coli

Them and the agents

 

[Gold]

I suggest everyone read articles on White Normativity as it plays a huge role in this imo.


In a society goverened by WS... things like white faith, white practices, white standards, white cutlure, white ethics simply become Faith, Practices, Standards, Culture, Ethics. They are considered the norm.

Adherence to this norm will ALMOST ALWAYS get you further in a WS society
Deviation from this norm will ALMOST ALWAYS set you further back in a WS society

Every black person over the age of 15 knows this inherently.

So from this standpoint, it makes sense that a minority in a WS country would adapt these standards more than the ruling class because they have more to gain from it. The ruling class doesn't have to adhere to white standards, they are already white. They can adopt all black stereotypes and cultures one day and shun them the next and still keep their whiteness (lol bieber)

I'm not giving excuses for us adopting white ideals, i'm just saying that a lot of it stems from trying to catch up in a world we are set up to fail

 

[Karb]

I suggest everyone read articles on White Normativity as it plays a huge role in this imo.


In a society goverened by WS... things like white faith, white practices, white standards, white cutlure, white ethics simply become Faith, Practices, Standards, Culture, Ethics.

Adherence to this norm will ALMOST ALWAYS get you further in a WS society
Deviation from this norm will ALMOST ALWAYS set you further back in a WS society

So from this standpoint, it makes sense that a minority in a WS country would adapt these standards more than the ruling class because they have more to gain from it.

I'm not giving excuses, i'm just saying that a lot of it stems from trying to catch up in a world we are set up to fail

"Trying to catch up" leads to a perpetual state of inferiority though.

This is a very good essay on why attempting to assimilate into European/American culture only leads to a permanent inferiority complex. It's a very good read IMO:

The Struggle between Europe and Mankind

 

[Larry Lobster]

AA's also consume more media than any other group. You think that's just a coincidence?

 

[King Poetic]

the one i hate

when u 18 you should leave the house regardless theory that blacks follow...nikkas could be earning less than 1,000 a dollars a month, but go out and rent a apartment for 950 and then complain they struggling ,when they could have save up first... but hey i'm living on my own

 

[Gold]

"Trying to catch up" leads to a perpetual state of inferiority though.

This is a very good essay on why attempting to assimilate into European/American culture only leads to a permanent inferiority complex. It's a very good read IMO:

The Struggle between Europe and Mankind

Oh exactly, I fully agree, which is the ultimate sustenance of white supremacy.

Just logically speaking, if I create an environment where every single thing I do is considered normal, and every single thing you do is considered aberrant, you will expend COUNTLESS amounts of energy trying to imitate me, and at the end of the day.. you'll never be me.

That's why its a losing game. That's why we as black people know we have to try twice as hard to get half as far.

 

[George's Dilemma]

The Chicago/respectability politics/conspiracy theories is ridiculous. All that shyt is aimed at white conservative racist cacs and yet blacks eat that shyt all up.


Look at this article Why blacks believe in the American Dream more than whites

Why the fukk do we believe in the American dream more than cacs do .

And don't even get me started on Christianity

The title of that article and subsequently the thread title are misleading. The point being made in the article is that Black, Latinos, and whites, have a different outlook today vs their preceding generations. Case in point, the following from the article,


1. Though she is strapped for cash now, Carter has no doubt she'll be able to achieve any goal she sets. A high school graduate with no children, she's thankful to be in a far different situation than her mother, whom she said faced more struggles as a darker skinned black woman who had her first of nine children at the age of 17 and dropped out of high school. (She eventually got her GED and now works in medical billing.)

Her mother told her stories of being spit on at work and being called the "N-word." Carter said she's doesn't feel judged on the color of her skin.


"The world is changing," said Carter. "I face less discrimination. I have the opportunity to do things she couldn't do."

2. For Sanchez, the American Dream is about having a happy and loving family and a president he trusts. Right now, he says he's content on both fronts...though the 2016 election may alter that.

His life stands in sharp contrast to his parents' experience. His father, who was of Mexican descent, was forced to live on the streets in Texas at the age of 7, after his mother (Sanchez's grandmother) abandoned the family and his father died. Sanchez's father had to teach himself to read and write. Eventually, he found work at a lumber mill. Sanchez's mother dropped out of high school and became an "average housewife," raising three children, he said.


So while times are tough at the moment, Sanchez is hopeful he can change his fortunes.


"I have an education, so I have a lot of options," Sanchez said, while watching his son play soccer. "I could go back to school. If one thing doesn't work, I can do something else."



That leads to the second point of the article, why whites don't feel as optimistic. From the article,

While he's financially stable, he is less certain about the future. A legal aid lawyer in Harvard, Massachusetts, he is raising three children with his wife, a lawyer in a private practice. Child care is expensive. Health care is expensive. College, even at a state school, is expensive, he says. The family's finances could go downhill quickly if someone gets sick or loses their job.

Americans have far less certainty and face more challenges these days -- partly because of the decline of unions and changes in government policies -- than many did in his parents' generation, Burke said.

His father was a college professor and his mom was a high school teacher. They had job security, guaranteed pensions and free healthcare. Now, people must shoulder too much of the risk and the burdens, rather than being spread across society, he says. The American Dream is too focused on individual achievement, he said.

"You could be doing fine today, but down the road, not so much," said Burke. "There are a lot of unnecessary obstacles people have to overcome. I don't think my parents had them in the past."




What stands out to me the most was the following, "Now, people must shoulder too much of the risk and the burdens, rather than being spread across society, he says. The American Dream is too focused on individual achievement, he said." In other words there are more white people who are less mentally equipped to deal with struggle than many of their minority counterparts. That's what I took from it anyway.

 

[EndGame]

The Chicago/respectability politics/conspiracy theories is ridiculous. All that shyt is aimed at white conservative racist cacs and yet blacks eat that shyt all up.


Look at this article Why blacks believe in the American Dream more than whites

Why the fukk do we believe in the American dream more than cacs do .

And don't even get me started on Christianity

So Black people being more optimistic than cacs is what you call white ideals?

 

[Karb]

The Impossibility of Assimilation without Annihilation
Second, he asks: “Is it possible for any nation to assimilate in toto a culture created by another nation?”

Here he draws on the work of the French sociologist Gabriel Tarde, who argued that all cultures are defined by “the uninterrupted emergence of new cultural assets” – legal codes, political structures, scientific ideas, artistic styles, etc. These cultural assets accrue by way of two sources – invention, which is the product of the indigenous culture, and propagation, which is imitation of other cultures. When newer cultural assets clash with older, more established cultural assets, there ensues an ideological duel logique for supremacy.

This struggle goes more smoothly when the cultural asset is acquired through invention, because it is a product of the indigenous culture and can therefore more easily reach a synthesis with older cultural values; whereas propagation, stemming from a foreign culture, requires the forcible repression of contradictory elements of the indigenous culture. And even when propagation is successful, the older cultural elements still remain embedded deep below in the collective spirit of that civilization, making complete assimilation with the foreign culture a quixotic endeavor.

Not that assimilation is impossible – but that would require a full-scale “anthropological merger”, much like how the Prussians merged into Germany, the Hyksos into Egypt or the Manchus into China, or indeed how a scattering of Slavic, Finno-Ugric and Turkic tribes merged into what would become a united Russia. But for all practical purposes, the answer to the second question is again in the negative – full assimilation into a foreign culture is impossible for a nation without its degradation into mere “ethnographic material”, i.e. loss of all prior forms of cultural identity.

Westernization is a Sisyphean Endeavor
Trubetzkoy’s third question is: “Is the assimilation of European culture good or bad?” He begins by pointing out that though the non-assimilated Europeanized nation (or what Samuel Huntington calls a “torn” country – prime examples include Russia, Japan and Turkey) will have a higher number of cultural assets and hence a higher number of potential cultural inventions than the typical Romano-Germanic nation, these potentialities will never be realized since most will perish in the conflict with older, indigenous values.

Most inventions perish in mutual conflict with or in clashes with the older cultural assets they oppose; and the greater the number of potential inventions, the longer and more bitter will be the struggle for recognition (Tarde’s duel logique). It turns out that the cultural work of a Europeanized nation is carried out in conditions far less favorable than in those found in a native Romano-Germanic nation. The former must grope about in various directions, spending its energies on efforts to coordinate elements from two diverse cultures, efforts that for the most part lead to nothing; it must seek out homologous elements in the store of assets from two cultures, while a native Romano-Germanic nation moves along a well-worn path, looking neither to the right nor left and concentrating its efforts on the coordination of elements from a single culture – homogeneous elements bearing the familiar stamp of its own national character.

This results in a very limited cultural output due to contradictions between indigenous and Western influences. Furthermore, not only is Westernization “extremely difficult and hemmed in by obstacles”, but is also a “thankless undertaking”, since all indigenous inventions, as well as most mixtures of Romano-Germanic and indigenous traditions, will be rejected by Europe because of their taint-by-association with non-European values.

One consequence of this is that a Westernizing nation “borrows its evaluation of culture from the Romano-Germans”. Cultural imports will always exceed cultural exports, creating a dependency relationship. And these cultural imports must always be implemented, regardless of how jarring or unwholesome is the resultant clash with indigenous traditions – “it must accept without protest everything that genuine Romano-Germans create and consider valuable, even if it conflicts with its national psychology and is poorly understood”. (This basically defines Russia’s unsuccessful attempts to create a Western free-market economy in the early 1990′s, which was carried out by ideologues and hijacked by insiders).

This has several very deleterious consequences. First, national unity degrades and there arise intense class conflicts and genealogical struggles in the Westernizing nations because of the big differences between various social groups in their degree of Westernization – “social, material and professional differences are much greater in Europeanized nations than in Romano-Germanic nations precisely because ethnographic and cultural distinctions have been added to them”. (Again, one could cite as an example the culturally ultra-stratified Tsarist class system).

The destruction of national unity and belief in oneself leads to a national inferiority complex – because the standard of comparison is with the West, and because the Europeanized nation is in a constant state of cultural backwardness, this results in low levels of social morale and lack of patriotism. The unfortunate nation is either dominated by, or is forced to take up a subordinate, dependent position relative to the Romano-Germanic nations – even though the latter aren’t really as good or talented as they present themselves:

Any nation that does not reject its “backwardness” quickly falls prey to some neighboring or distant Romano-Germanic nation, which then deprives this “backward member of the family of civilization nations” of its economic, and later its political, independence; it begins to exploit its prey shamelessly, bleeds it white, and transforms it into “ethnographic material”. But the nation that wishes to struggle against the law of eternal backwardness confronts an equally unhappy fate. To guard itself against threats from abroad, a “backward” Europeanized nation must maintain parity with the Romano-Germanic nations, at least in its military and industrial technology. But since… a Europeanized nation is unable to to innovate as rapidly in this area as native Romano-Germans, it must generally restrict itself to borrowing and imitating foreign inventions. Its backwardness continues to exist even in the area of technology. But in this case, despite certain chronic delays, the technical level is more or less uniform, and the difference from the Romano-Germanic consists rather in the lower intensity of industrial activity.

The focus of this essay is on national identity, but I believe that the same principles can be used to describe the state of minorities (especially blacks) in the US and Europe.

You're constantly trying to find a balance between keeping your own values and cultural identity and the dominant European/American culture. Cacs do not have to carry that same burden since society is based on their values. When their culture evolves, they are able to transition more seamlessly. We, on the other hand, are in a constant state of inner conflict.

So after a few decades of internal battles, you're finally onboard with gay rights, feminism etc.. but now, they've moved onto transgender rights, legalized gay marriage, etc. and now you're right back where you started basically.

It's a losing battle. Ideally, blacks (and all other people) should have ideals that are based on their own unique cultural ethos and value system to avoid this trap of perpetual inferiority. This is what the Japanese, Russians, Chinese and others have been struggling with on a national scale: how to adopt the material advancements of the West without all the cultural baggage that comes with it.

 

[Karb]

Oh exactly, I fully agree, which is the ultimate sustenance of white supremacy.

Just logically speaking, if I create an environment where every single thing I do is considered normal, and every single thing you do is considered aberrant, you will expend COUNTLESS amounts of energy trying to imitate me, and at the end of the day.. you'll never be me.

That's why its a losing game. That's why we as black people know we have to try twice as hard to get half as far.

Indeed breh, it's a trap and very difficult to escape.

Brother Malcolm and the NOI understood this which is why they advocated for separation.

 

[K.Dot]

the one i hate

when u 18 you should leave the house regardless theory that blacks follow...nikkas could be earning less than 1,000 a dollars a month, but go out and rent a apartment for 950 and then complain they struggling ,when they could have save up first... but hey i'm living on my own

I hate my father for pushing this shyt, "he like I did it", we ain't got 25$ am hour factory jobs anymore nikka and you ain't nobody to inspire to be anyways.