Boldy James & Sterling Toles - Manger on McNichols

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was this ever stickied?

If not... why not!?

but yeah.



Listen. I watch documentaries on "Making OF" of albums whenever I can.

The only one I like more than this one is the Steely Dan (making of Aja.....) one.

This shyt is a legit work of art.

Even the Age Aint Nothing But A Number sample song. :mjlol:

This album overall prolly breaching my top 10.

Only reason it wont is I gotta decide what gonna come off. :mjcry:


edit: for real. If you talking about thought put in and what we got, raw honesty, lyrics and beats,.....


this is prolly as close to a Nu-Age ILLMatic as yall gonna get for the next 30 years.


(edited edit: except "CTRL) by SZA.... which.... I consider a "Nu-Age Thot bytch IllMatic" :mjcry:)
 
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was this ever stickied?

If not... why not!?

but yeah.



Listen. I watch documentaries on "Making OF" of albums whenever I can.

The only one I like more than this one is the Steely Dan (making of Aja.....) one.

This shyt is a legit work of art.

Even the Age Aint Nothing But A Number sample song. :mjlol:

This album overall prolly breaching my top 10.

Only reason it wont is I gotta decide what gonna come off. :mjcry:


edit: for real. If you talking about thought put in and what we got, raw honesty, lyrics and beats,.....


this is prolly as close to a Nu-Age ILLMatic as yall gonna get for the next 30 years.


(edited edit: except "CTRL) by SZA.... which.... I consider a "Nu-Age Thot bytch IllMatic" :mjcry:)

This is HIGH PRAISE. Dapped and rapped. I can't wait. I love watching music documentaries too. I can already tell this documentary is going to make me appreciate the album more. I know it was created over 15 years give or take, and I know Sterling saying something about them finishing it almost a form of therapy/healing from the shyt they went through.

You know how sometimes knowing about how an album was created can make you appreciate it more? I think that'll be the case here. And it's funny because the same thing happened with Tea in China.

So Boldy honestly has 2 historic albums this year. Tea in China was growing on me anyways, and when I looked up what I could find about how it was made, I grew to appreciate it even more. Apparently it wasn't the smoothest recording process, he and Alchemist had a lot of heated debates, and Boldy by accident almost erased Alc's entire hard drive. When it was all said and done, they had 30 songs, and Boldy flew back to Detroit and let Alc build more onto the beats, and pick what 12 songs would be on Tea in China and what 5 would be on Boldface. Alc said he thinks of his albums like his kids, and he said "let's say your kid could grow up to be a lawyer, doctor, or teacher; in that case, Tea in China can grow up to be all 3." You can really tell how much they both love the album.

I can't wait to watch this Manger on McNichols documentary, for real. Thx so much for posting it. I wouldn't have found it otherwise. I love how knowing more about art can change how you perceive it and enjoy it :wow:
 
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This is HIGH PRAISE. Dapped and rapped. I can't wait. I love watching music documentaries too. I can already tell this documentary is going to make me appreciate the album more. I know it was created over 15 years give or take, and I know Sterling saying something about them finishing it almost a form of therapy/healing from the shyt they went through.

You know how sometimes knowing about how an album was created can make you appreciate it more? I think that'll be the case here. And it's funny because the same thing happened with Tea in China. So Boldy honestly has 2 historic albums this year. Tea in China was growing on me anyways, and when I looked up what I could find about how it was made, I grew to appreciate it even more. Apparently it wasn't the smoothest recording process, he and Alchemist had a lot of heated debates, and Boldy by accident almost erased Alc's entire hard drive. When it was all said and done, they had 30 songs, and Boldy flew back to Detroit and let Alc build more onto the beats, and pick what 12 songs would be on Tea in China and what 5 would be on Boldface. Alc said he thinks of his albums like his kids, and he said "let's say your kid could grow up to be a lawyer, doctor, or teacher; in that case, Tea in China can grow up to be all 3." You can really tell how much they both love the album.

I can't wait to watch this Manger on McNichols documentary, for real. Thx so much for posting it. I wouldn't have found it otherwise. :wow:


top that off with James saying in another interview (you can find it quoted in this thread) that the closest people to him musically... that he feels are his "brothers"....

are sterling and alc.(and wsg) :wow:
 

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The Middle of Next Month

The most immediately arresting aspect of this record is almost certainly the aforementioned soundscape. Each track sounds meticulously crafted, chaotic but pieced together in the most precise of manners. Tracks like "The Middle of Next Month" feature an explosion of noise, from warped vocals and samples to what sounds like disconcerting strings hiding in the mix. To listen to any individual track can become an exercise in instrument recognition; a trumpet there, synthesizers and piano, and percussion that acts as less of a foundation and more of a puzzle piece. Songs like highlight "Mommy Dearest (A Eulogy)" border on the avant-garde, sounding almost structure-less, yet feeling coherent and precise; a droning violin complimented by a gorgeous flowing flute fluttering throughout the mix, dodging from left to right, choir-like backing vocals and balladry in a foreign language. The weight of these elements is enough to crush any single track, and a lesser MC would perhaps struggle to sound even close to in their element. But the strength of Boldy’s voice peers straight through any amount of noise, and each track sounds like it was constructed around each verse, as it likely was. If anything can sound like the culmination of ten to thirteen years of perfection, it’s this. Sterling Toles’ work on this record is, not to put it lightly, unlike anything heard on a rap record, ever. The soundscape of the record is both dirty and gorgeous, muddy and boundary-pushing, with Boldy’s voice cutting through the chaos like a knife.

A Eulogy

But perhaps just as impressive as the sound of the record is the content, both personal and strikingly complex. Boldy’s poetic and yet almost domestic storytelling is powerful and matter-of-fact, with his dreary delivery standing proud among the instrumentation and perfectly complementing it. The descriptions of poverty, crime, and interpersonal relationships is powerfully dreadful; often, the naming of family and friends in an almost list-like fashion very clearly remind you that these are lived experiences. A number of recurring themes permeate the record, with one of the most potent being that of childhood, and by extension, parenting and Boldy’s own children. Even the title, with the use of the word “manger” brings to mind the visuals of a nativity scene, highlighting the birth of Jesus in a manger or stable, further emblematic of the record’s focus on birth, childhood, and religion. Descriptions of parentless youth, such as on "Requiem", paint a vivid and perhaps all too common picture:

My youngin' lost his mother and father, was less fortunate

Put up for adoption, no foster parents at the orphanage

The social worker, she could give a fukk, she got her own problems

Brodie wanted for a open murder, that's his role model

Growin' up all he seen was a Seagram's Crown Royal bottle

Pourin' up his troubles, gettin' weeded while he load hollow tips

And that extendo roll was runnin' through them bundles

One time, the bag came up short, he had to shoot his uncle


Perhaps the most affecting moment on the record comes in the form of the "Mommy Dearest (A Eulogy)", which features Boldy interpolating Notorious B.I.G’s "Suicidal Thoughts" ('Cause she don't even love me like she did when I was younger/ Suckin' on her breast just to stop my fukkin' hunger). The track seems to highlight both Boldy’s childhood trauma and relationship with his mother (and by extension a younger sibling and father) and perhaps even his own thoughts on parenthood as well as his own past and life trajectory, talking about a history of crime and selling drugs, culminating in the piercing line: I know my mama wish she got a fukkin’ abortion. The poetry and searing emotional weight of this track is not only multi-layered and dense, but is of course accompanied by not only the gorgeous instrumentation but a sample of an interview discussing the song in question. Falling right in the middle of the album, "Mommy Dearest" acts almost as an emotional climax, and is what Sterling Toles has cited as the centerpiece of the project, highlighting Boldy’s relationship with his mother, some of the darkest thoughts James has to offer on the record and some of the most introspective.

Askin' our mommy, "Where Daddy went?"

To our daddy, "Where Mommy at?"

Him tellin' me she ain't comin' back

Me lookin' at my four-year-old sister

Tears runnin' down her poor little dimples, damn

Memories when it was hard for your little mans

Can it be that it was all so simple then?

Tellin' me that you was on your way to come see me

And left me sittin' on the porch in the rain, freezing

Had me feelin' like an orphan, the pain stingin'

And gettin' stung by a hornet ain't the same, neither

It run further and way deeper than a heartbreakin' mind-bogglin' brain freezer

Tellin' James that what I'm never sellin' dope

And when he said "never", that's when he let me know

To never say "never", because you never know

And if you love someone, let 'em know

Guess it wasn’t meant
 

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While growing up in Detroit, James had a friend in his neighborhood who went by the name Boldy, who “didn’t rap, he just sold cocaine.” James “Boldy” Osley was later murdered, and, since they shared the name, James, Jones decided to carry on the name in his rap career. The DNA of Detroit and its influence on both Boldy himself and his sound is evident throughout the record, with a number of samples throughout the record starting and ending tracks with messages about Detroit, a number of which sound like they come from old television or radio samples. That spirit and heritage feels laced throughout the record. Boldy’s style and wordplay is not only impressive across the record, but feels unique to him and his experiences. The storytelling and descriptions on the album feel almost intrusive, like a man has opened his soul entirely, describing his insecurities, trauma, and confessing his sins over the sound of raw emotion, unfiltered. The closing moments of this record on "Got Flicked (The Rebirth)" feel like an encapsulation of paranoia and dwelling on the past, coming to terms with life as it has been given and lost in thought about what it means.

My baby mama and my son didn't show up

When I realized I ain't tell 'em I was leaving when the bailiff threw me in the cuffs, fukk

Then he whispered in my ear, "This, too, shall pass"

Now I'm shackled by my frame to the floor of a bus with some strangers

Cliqued up with some demons, got into it with some lifers

Learned to communicate with angels


It’s not often an album of this level arrives. A project so long in the making, so intently focused, and so painfully personal that it feels intrusive. The depth of the project’s sounds and poetry is impossible to digest upon dozens of listens, nevermind the first. The story behind the record is almost as fascinating as its content, and despite the love it has gotten from certain circles and online forums, it still feels like a record that should have made far larger a splash than it has. That being said, the staying power of this record will likely prove itself in the years to come, especially as Boldy James continues his exponential growth. This is without a doubt one of the most powerful hip-hop records in years, and one that will go down as a landmark achievement, blending new and old with startling ease, and emblematic of the sort of personal expression and raw introspection most key to the human experience.

Highlights

I just lost my two twins in an accident

Would've been my firstborn kids, guess it wasn't meant

It's been a series of unfortunate events

And I'm gettin' real leery of whom I call my friends


- “The Middle of Next Month”

Sometimes I feel like a motherless child

Get out of line, and I'm gunnin' you down, so stay in single file

'Fore you in the line of fire, tryna renege

Like you threw a nine of diamonds out when I led with spades

And you sittin' trump tight

We got hand grenades, I pull this pin, it's goodnight

Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite

Keep a razor blade or jagged-edge butcher knife


-”Mommy Dearest (A Eulogy)”

Therapeutic to the user, the heroin abusers

Know I'm a ConCreature like I'm starin' at Medusa


-”Medusa”

Got the drug-free school zone high

God, tell the devil Boldy want a spot if I gotta suffer

Got some 1-2, 3-4, 5-slot, heavy metal pokin' out my side for you motherfukkin' sissies

Your boy an assassin, my city ain't no tourist attraction, this Detroit where shyt happens

Cats get shot in their jibs

Extorted, kidnapped, or robbed for their yen

My ConCreature fam been known for causin' casualties

Don't eff with them boys off of McNichols

But come back to Detroit, sorry we missed you

With this northern hospitality

You welcome to 76


-”Welcome to 76”

It's six million ways to die to choose from

Hardest thing to do is stay alive, go to school son

I know nikkas who died when they was too young

To even realize, don't even think twice, just shoot guns

And let the trigger decide, took a few slugs

Blink twice, bleedin' from his eyes, cried blue blood

When they crimsoned his tide in new ones

Left him laid out flat in some already-been-chewed gum


-”Why Are You In Her(e)?”

It's real life shyt, this ain't Hansel & Gretel

In my kitchen, Pyrex right next to the kettle

Open the cabinet, farina right next to the pet milk

With my strap on, the sink full of dishes and residue

Phone tapped, I think, and my minutes is hella low

Who in the hell'd think that that kid'd be sellin' dope?

From petty thief, misdemeanors to federal

Seventeen in the clink for some weed in my leather coat


-”Got Flicked (The Rebirth)”
 
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