Brehs, let's talk about why you constantly glorify Independent artists/deals...

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He had a buzz in LA and was already signed prior to Yonkers dropping. The money from Yonkers came from tours and XL records which is owned by WMG. Not denying he wasn't a plant pushed by Major labels, just not Sony yet. Now by the time GOBLIN dropped, Sony was already giving him the money for the distribution deal. He even talks about buying him Moms a house the same day it was put out.

Not to mention that nikka Taco is rich as fukk. He had a Studio in his house (which is where most of their 1st shyt was recorded) so I'm sure they were able to make connections through him too. He was talking about having a show on Adult Swim before he even dropped b*stard on the HB forums.

Them dudes aint industry plants tho.... somebody like Angel Haze is an industry plant tho.

When these internet rappers find out how much money it costs for all the shyt they have in their videos...even for one as minimal as Yonkers was, they'll be :sadcam: at how much they'd have to save up for that.

little over a year ago, homegirl was a tumblr famous rapper, who didn't want a deal.....then magically she signs to universal, and shows up at the BET Hip Hop awards, XXL Cover..and got a Nardwaur interview,before nobody even really heard about her.

atleast Trinidad James had the Clubs on smash with All Gold Everything
 

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the bottom line is this, it takes money to fukking make money, if you dont have money you need to know somebody.

im not gonna get into the politics of why major labels generally dont do shyt for you, but im gonna tell you this, the majors hardly back ANY of these guys, those covers, those videos, websites, that shyt is all set up by their management team and everything else under the sun. The management and the artists are the ones putting in all the work, all the major does is throw around a bit of weight in distro and a few industry connections like magazines etc, but for the most part i cannot stress to yall, labels dont do shyt for you, at all.

The only real reason to be on a fukking major is to connect you with elements that are harder to reach on your own, but money? fukk no, most of the shyt they give you is recoupable, these guys who have major label backing have a little bit of help but it aint much, dont get it twisted, majors got a shytload of weed carriers who are signed.

Example, there is a dude i know, im not gonna say his name because i know hed get mad as fukk. but his situation is fukked up, but hes also fukking lazy. He thought signing to universal as an artist would help him, instead hes fukking shelved and isnt making enough money for studio sessions, quality beats and everything else. bottom line is, it takes money to make money. those dudes from odd future, tde etc, yall have no clue who does what, so ill shed some light, having a great management team and the right people backing you along with YOUR hard work is how it gets done.

Me personally as a producer, i happen to be cool with some journalists etc so often times i have access to certain blogs that normally shut newbies and nobodies out, not to mention i made a dope album so it forced people to fukking listen because of the traffic i generated on a single blog. Unless you have edge like that, you are paying and there is nothing wrong with that. But for me being over 30, id be ashamed just because ive been in the game so long and know so many journalists no excuse for fukking paying for anything, but 8 years ago? fukk yes id do it, because at the end of the day payola is what it is.

I cannot stress to you how many fukking bums are sitting on label rosters, shelved up and doing nothing because they signed a shytty deal and have no release date, that aint nobodies fault but their own, they took that advanced money and that shyt aint my problem. Majors only give a push to those who generate a buzz, no buzz, no nothing, you have to have your own street team, your own tour manager, road manager, entertainment lawyer etc, YOU come out of pocket for that shyt.

This is a dirty game and like the homie wendy day says, you dont get whats fair, you get what you negotiate. Not one person in this thread besides me has ever seen or been in involved with a major label contract, so im telling first hand fukking experience.
 
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the bottom line is this, it takes money to fukking make money, if you dont have money you need to know somebody.

im not gonna get into the politics of why major labels generally dont do shyt for you, but im gonna tell you this, the majors hardly back ANY of these guys, those covers, those videos, websites, that shyt is all set up by their management team and everything else under the sun. The management and the artists are the ones putting in all the work, all the major does is throw around a bit of weight in distro and a few industry connections like magazines etc, but for the most part i cannot stress to yall, labels dont do shyt for you, at all.

The only real reason to be on a fukking major is to connect you with elements that are harder to reach on your own, but money? fukk no, most of the shyt they give you is recoupable, these guys who have major label backing have a little bit of help but it aint much, dont get it twisted, majors got a shytload of weed carriers who are signed.

Example, there is a dude i know, im not gonna say his name because i know hed get mad as fukk. but his situation is fukked up, but hes also fukking lazy. He thought signing to universal as an artist would help him, instead hes fukking shelved and isnt making enough money for studio sessions, quality beats and everything else. bottom line is, it takes money to make money. those dudes from odd future, tde etc, yall have no clue who does what, so ill shed some light, having a great management team and the right people backing you along with YOUR hard work is how it gets done.

Me personally as a producer, i happen to be cool with some journalists etc so often times i have access to certain blogs that normally shut newbies and nobodies out, not to mention i made a dope album so it forced people to fukking listen because of the traffic i generated on a single blog. Unless you have edge like that, you are paying and there is nothing wrong with that. But for me being over 30, id be ashamed just because ive been in the game so long and know so many journalists no excuse for fukking paying for anything, but 8 years ago? fukk yes id do it, because at the end of the day payola is what it is.

I cannot stress to you how many fukking bums are sitting on label rosters, shelved up and doing nothing because they signed a shytty deal and have no release date, that aint nobodies fault but their own, they took that advanced money and that shyt aint my problem. Majors only give a push to those who generate a buzz, no buzz, no nothing, you have to have your own street team, your own tour manager, road manager, entertainment lawyer etc, YOU come out of pocket for that shyt.

This is a dirty game and like the homie wendy day says, you dont get whats fair, you get what you negotiate. Not one person in this thread besides me has ever seen or been in involved with a major label contract, so im telling first hand fukking experience.

:to: 100% truth. You are your own best asset and the team around you as well. Labels really won't push till you go yourself out there and payola in the blogs is crazy as hell. There's some that get on trough talent but thay can only take you so far.
 

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Dudes on here really are under the impression that being independent means you can just have a few videos on Worldstar & spam people's emails & spam people's Twitters & you can just "get it poppin"...

***REAL*** Independents are run NO DIFFERENT then Major Labels & if you think any Independent artist has ever got it cracking just pushing CD's out of their trunk then you are highly mistaken & delusional to life. Most of these rappers are either backed by real estate agents who need to put their money somewhere, drug dealers or are blessed to be in a family that already has money. It takes money to make money & I've never met an artist who was able to "bare bones" it into luxury.

A major only finances you but you & your team are in control of your success... Majors used to do a lot of work but the South changed the game because they did everything themselves so now Majors pretty much just cut checks & wait for u to build your own buzz & generate your own dollars & they split with you...

Everyone from Mac Miller to Rick Ross to Plies to TI to Jay-Z to Nas had "backing" prior to blowing up. Even Techn9ne had backing & we're not talking a couple hundred dollars...

It takes a shytload of money to start up any business I don't know why cats think music is any different....

Dudes be like "with Worldstar & Twitter you don't need a major" GTFOH... you need dough behind you... nothing successful in this industry comes from Free99...
 

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People get the word "independent" messed up.

If you're getting ANY kind of mainstream look, most likely you have some "industry connects". A friend of mine ended up getting a few million views on youtube organically. This is from years of grinding fullly independent. It can happen. But at that point he had been making real noise in the underground for awhile.

Not long after the the multi-million Youtube video he signed to a real professional management company who had established acts on their roster. Although he had not signed to a major label, he received some of those benefits. His next videos looked far more polished for example. However, you've got to think more people are in his pockets.
 

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Kendrick my boy and all, but even I knew TDE was getting some help from the majors :skip:

They was getting primed and ready for the longest so they could make that break through though. Punch aint a bad CEO by how he assembled his squad.

that's the thing though, punch is not the ceo of top dawg ent. TOP DAWG is. They were not getting any help from the majors. Top has been around for a long time now. He was a one point and time about to sign 50 cent before he got with Eminem. He's always been behind the scenes whether it be in music or movies. so of course he has the money to truly run an independent label.

and you really think they pay for all them beats? no. nikkas like bangladesh will call top asking for verses and shyt from kendrick for beats...
 

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which popular rappers are actually independent right now?

Brotha Lynch Hung is right?
 

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which popular rappers are actually independent right now?

Brotha Lynch Hung is right?

hes on strange, tech n9nes label. so yeah.

strange is a well oiled machine and the best independent label in rap. Theyre releasing an album every month this year.
 

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I glorify Duck Down Records, because they've been putting out pure Hip-Hop music from 95 to now. Since 11, I've been part of the BCC movement. :salute:
 

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Come down to Texas and see the indy grind down here

If you can get a hot song on 97.9 and other texas radio stations you are gonna eat good for a while
 

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Why are you nikkas so hyped to groupie for the industry though

I dont understand

Do you like what industry politics does to the music?


Industry Politics have always existed....it's not anything new.

the only thing is that now there is much more of a level of transparency when it comes to the behind the scenes stuff.

if it weren't for the internet, there is all types of shyt that nobody would've ever known..
 

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Industry Politics have always existed....it's not anything new.

the only thing is that now there is much more of a level of transparency when it comes to the behind the scenes stuff.

if it weren't for the internet, there is all types of shyt that nobody would've ever known..
Fair enough
 

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I glorify Duck Down Records, because they've been putting out pure Hip-Hop music from 95 to now. Since 11, I've been part of the BCC movement. :salute:

Mic Tyson was one of the best albums of 2012 and proof that purist hip hop can be updated and made well
 

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Let's talk about this brehs, cause a lot of y'all are really under the impression that independent>>>>>anything no matter what

Is it cause you hear all these established rappers, with dependable fanbases saying Independent is the best situation for them?

Is it cause you believe that major labels really do prevent artists from making the music they truly want to make?

Is it cause feel that being on a major label is gonna put you in a situation where you're not really making shyt

Is it cause you truly believe, being your own boss is better than anything else...in every situation?


let's chop it up brehs... and talk about the realities of being an independent rapper vs. being on a major.
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