CACPLEX: "Well Actually, Future Was the Best Rapper Alive in 2015"

[Drip Bayless]

Black people still reading complex

 

[CrimsonTider]

I ain't buying what you selling fam....we going to agree to disagree on this one.

I'm not about to post up songs but you consider Nicki a bad rapper?

She is a much more polished rapper than most of the relevant males out now

 

[JayYoung314]

drake is clearly the bigger star. it's not even up for debate.

and i understand why some disagree. did future benefit from the co-sign? hell fukking yeah. believe it's his best-selling project to-date.

that said... drake literally hopped on future's wave when it was at its peak. his producers, his hooks, his style. the album ended up sounding like drake said "oh, yall like future? i can do that too! look at me!"

again, how can u be #1 in 2015 when u do an album with the other candidate for #1, and spend 85% of the album rapping like u the #2 nikka in future's crew?

when the biggest rapper in the game is reporting live from the gutter, instead of taking in the view from the 6... i mean, what else is there to say.

2015 was future's.

ok from that perspective i can see what youre saying. that whole cd was clearly drake doing his best to say "hey guys i can rap with street nikkas too" so yes to say he hopped on his wave on THAT album is definitley understandable. I just dont think he hopped on his wave out of neccessity or because he had too, i think it was merely a choice of knowing he could cross over into futures territory better than future could cross into drakes. Drake is a softie lets just keep it real, a future collab in drakes realm would have been boring as hell period.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

ya lying to yaself if you think drake isnt a great artist. this coming from one of the biggest 'heads' there ever was

 

[K.Dot]

Crackers

 

[arel]

FREEBANDZ

 

[Insensitive]

I think that was the point.Swift is supposedly a country music artist but fans of country music consider her a pop star kinda of the same way rap fans consider Drake a pop star

People who hate country music can still listen to Swift because her music really isn't country and people who don't like rap can listen to Drake cause alot of his shyt really aint rap

I don't think there's anyone who still considers Taylor Swift a country music artist.
Her music no longer resembles country and some question if it ever truly did.

And in Drake's case he's a guy who has become the go to rapper for poptimist blogs to fellate.
Essentially disagreeing with this idea that Drake is the end all be all simply because of popularity
is met with derision and claims of antiquity or bias instead of just being honest and saying Drake is for
all intents and purposes a pop star playing as a "Rapper" or "Hip-Hop" artist.

I mean, it really solidified what was going on when it came out that this dude doesn't write his shyt
and complex closed rank and began to write articles defending this. And when called out, there were some
authors of these articles that couldn't articulate themselves any better than a troll in the booth.
Jumping to insulting "Conscious rappers" and even mentioning Talib Kweli and Lupe Fiasco by name.

While I'm at it the "article" this thread is predicated on is drenched in just as much bullshyt.

While Drake dominated the annual commercial metrics, it was Future who truly advanced rap songcraft and best represented the state of the culture

I think Future is cool, he has some dope cuts here and there but I don't feel he's "Advanced rap songcraft" or is even the "Best representation
of the state of the culture" in a lot of ways he feels just as much "industry" as Drake.
Tons of autotune, largely forgettable song concepts, damn near intelligible "Rapping", relying heavily on the beat to set
the pace etc.

Articles like these fly in the face of anyone who doesn't really sound like a slipshod carbon copy of five other rappers.
Future, Rich Homie Quan, Young Thug and the legions of "I wanna be in the top 100 too!!" copy cats they've spawned
could be played back to back to the average passer by and they probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

 

[Hood Critic]

I'm not about to post up songs but you consider Nicki a bad rapper?

She is a much more polished rapper than most of the relevant males out now

I don't consider her a bad rapper at all but I don't consider her in the top tier of rappers to say she's ever been at the front of the pack.

 

[the cac mamba]

Nikki Minaj?

this might be the best gif ive ever seen

 

[RAW_SPK]

Yall not about to tell me Nicki dont got SOME skills when she clearly washed Aubrey on his own shyt (see "Up All Night")

Cant hear this and tell me she can't rap...at least not objectively

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

I'm not about to post up songs but you consider Nicki a bad rapper?

She is a much more polished rapper than most of the relevant males out now

Buddy ain't gotta like Nicki if he don't like her, bruh. Y'all need to knock that ol' group think, hive minsed type shyt off.

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

I don't think there's anyone who still considers Taylor Swift a country music artist.
Her music no longer resembles country and some question if it ever truly did.

And in Drake's case he's a guy who has become the go to rapper for poptimist blogs to fellate.
Essentially disagreeing with this idea that Drake is the end all be all simply because of popularity
is met with derision and claims of antiquity or bias instead of just being honest and saying Drake is for
all intents and purposes a pop star playing as a "Rapper" or "Hip-Hop" artist.

I mean, it really solidified what was going on when it came out that this dude doesn't write his shyt
and complex closed rank and began to write articles defending this. And when called out, there were some
authors of these articles that couldn't articulate themselves any better than a troll in the booth.
Jumping to insulting "Conscious rappers" and even mentioning Talib Kweli and Lupe Fiasco by name.

While I'm at it the "article" this thread is predicated on is drenched in just as much bullshyt.

I think Future is cool, he has some dope cuts here and there but I don't feel he's "Advanced rap songcraft" or is even the "Best representation
of the state of the culture" in a lot of ways he feels just as much "industry" as Drake.
Tons of autotune, largely forgettable song concepts, damn near intelligible "Rapping", relying heavily on the beat to set
the pace etc.

Articles like these fly in the face of anyone who doesn't really sound like a slipshod carbon copy of five other rappers.
Future, Rich Homie Quan, Young Thug and the legions of "I wanna be in the top 100 too!!" copy cats they've spawned
could be played back to back to the average passer by and they probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

Well stated.

 

[Woodrow]

ok from that perspective i can see what youre saying. that whole cd was clearly drake doing his best to say "hey guys i can rap with street nikkas too" so yes to say he hopped on his wave on THAT album is definitley understandable. I just dont think he hopped on his wave out of neccessity or because he had too, i think it was merely a choice of knowing he could cross over into futures territory better than future could cross into drakes. Drake is a softie lets just keep it real, a future collab in drakes realm would have been boring as hell period.

he didn't have to do it. but imo, that makes it worse. how are you the biggest artist in the game riding another man's wave. especially when you're drake, and the evidence shows a nasty habit of appropriating other nikkas' styles to serve your own relevancy. ur basically acknowledging how influential he is in that moment to stop doing you and do something else (and low-key trying to swipe his shine). regardless of the motivation.

look at watch the throne. a lot (A LOT) of the concepts were clearly kanye. but you can't say that's a kanye album. it didn't sound like something either of them would do if they werent doing it together.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Buddy ain't gotta like Nicki if he don't like her, bruh. Y'all need to knock that ol' group think, hive minsed type shyt off.

What about my posting is groupthink.

Im literally the only nikka on this site that is making the claim for Nicki as the best rapper in 2014