CAC's keep saying guns were never an issue in the 60's and 70's..

[Son Goku]

totally wrong, you could mail order guns and pay cash on delivery until '68, automatics were banned in '86, there were no background checks until '93, military surplus guns were common back then and don't exist now (all surplus m9s/m4s get destroyed)

This is the exactly opposite of reality tho Guns were way easier to get and violence was worse in general

Suicide by gun and murders where a gun was used was actually higher in the 60s and 70s than in 2020.

U.S. gun suicide and gun murder rates have increased in recent years, but remain below past highs

www.pewresearch.org

What you posted doesn't match the agenda.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

totally wrong, you could mail order guns and pay cash on delivery until '68, automatics were banned in '86, there were no background checks until '93, military surplus guns were common back then and don't exist now (all surplus m9s/m4s get destroyed)

Murder rates were actually higher back in the 1960s then they are today. So it's disingenuous to say that "guns were never an issue" back then.


On the other hand, it's true that for many people guns were tougher to acquire and especially assault rifles. There were a ton of folk who didn't have the means to get one. Today there are more cheap guns flooding the street as well as more surplus cash floating around.

 

[3rdWorld]

In the 60s and 70s segregation was still deeply entrenched from the Jim crow era.
Cacs didn't encounter Black people as much, as Black communities were isolated and most cacs didn't know where they were.
Cac paranoia took on a new form once civil rights had kicked in and people were deemed equal. This is when the neanderthals lost their shyt and all became gun nuts

 

[east]

Murder rates were actually higher back in the 1960s then they are today. So it's disingenuous to say that "guns were never an issue" back then.


On the other hand, it's true that for many people guns were tougher to acquire and especially assault rifles. There were a ton of folk who didn't have the means to get one. Today there are more cheap guns flooding the street as well as more surplus cash floating around.

how do you say assault rifles were tougher to acquire back then when they were so inexpensive that machinists were cranking them out just for the fukk of it, selling them for under $100 (in 2022 dollars!), and you could anonymously order one by sending cash in the mail? just as a couple examples belted machine guns cost around $90, colt SP1s (the newest, most expensive shyt) were around $200, and full auto FALs were so cheap that you couldn't give them away - there's more FAL autosears on the NFA registry than there are total rifles in america. now assault rifles are solely the domain of rich cacs who use them as investment vehicles or people who are skirting the law by paying FFL/SOT fees for the purposes of collecting - when it's the poor who need firearms to protect themselves the most.

actually that last bit reminded me of the jim crow laws in blue states that keep inexpensive guns out of the hands of the poor, ostensibly in the name of product safety (none of those existed back in the 70s or 80s either). i don't really think it's about product safety though, otherwise they would've called the guns they targeted "unsafe" or "poorly machined" or w/e, not their chosen term "n****rtown saturday night specials."

edit: to be fair i can think of only one market segment where prices have fallen/availability has increased in the past 50 years or so, and that's the kind of gun that the vast majority of crimes are committed with - small pistols which are used for concealed carry

 

[Tribal Outkast]

These old fools still watch Gunsmoke and shyt Stop lying!

 

[saturn7]

Surplus rifles used to be sold in hardware stores back in the 40's - 70's. Guns were easier to acquire BITD.
There were no "red flags", no ATF form 4473 back then, and none of these hand gun laws BITD (7 day waiting period, some states have other requirements you have to meet before being allowed to purchase a handgun).

 

[Professor Emeritus]

how do you say assault rifles were tougher to acquire back then when they were so inexpensive that machinists were cranking them out just for the fukk of it, selling them for under $100 (in 2022 dollars!), and you could anonymously order one by sending cash in the mail? just as a couple examples belted machine guns cost around $90, colt SP1s (the newest, most expensive shyt) were around $200, and full auto FALs were so cheap that you couldn't give them away - there's more FAL autosears on the NFA registry than there are total rifles in america. now assault rifles are solely the domain of rich cacs who use them as investment vehicles or people who are skirting the law by paying FFL/SOT fees for the purposes of collecting - when it's the poor who need firearms to protect themselves the most.

actually that last bit reminded me of the jim crow laws in blue states that keep inexpensive guns out of the hands of the poor, ostensibly in the name of product safety (none of those existed back in the 70s or 80s either). i don't really think it's about product safety though, otherwise they would've called the guns they targeted "unsafe" or "poorly machined" or w/e, not their chosen term "n****rtown saturday night specials."

edit: to be fair i can think of only one market segment where prices have fallen/availability has increased in the past 50 years or so, and that's the kind of gun that the vast majority of crimes are committed with - small pistols which are used for concealed carry

Because when I was a kid no one owned a fukking assault rifle. No one was using them in mass shootings. No one was using them in crimes. No one mail-ordered guns except gun nuts lol. I remember when I was a teenager and the North Hollywood shootout happened in 1997 followed by Columbine in 1999 and those were HUGE news because fools using assault rifles like that wasn't a thing. Outside of gun nuts or really hardcore gangbangers the only people with guns had pistols, shotguns, or rifles. Not military-style assault rifles.

Now AR models are the top-selling rifle in the USA. That was NOT true in the 1990s or earlier.

Here's a list of the 30 worst shootings in US history, ranked by year, with the primary gun used. Notice something about the trend:


Before 1940s: none
1940s: 1 pistol
1950s: none
1960s: 1 bolt-action rifle
1970s: 1 pistol
1980s: 3 pistols, 1 assault rifle, 1 multiple guns
1990s: 1 pistol, 1 assault rifle
2000s: 3 pistols, 1 assault rifle
2010s: 9 assault rifle, 2 pistols, 1 shotgun
2020s: 2 assault rifle, 1 pistol


In the last 15 years there's clearly been a massive leap in the the # of people using assault rifles for these sorts of crimes. Over half of the 30 worst mass shootings in US history have come in the last 10 years and nearly all of them used assault rifles. Why ignore that?

And it's not "solely the domain of rich cacs", that's a bunch of bullshyt. Like I pointed out AR models are literally the best-selling rifle in the country. Kyle Rittenhouse was a 17yo high school dropout loser with a single mom but he had an AR model rifle. Peyton Gendron was an 18yo grocery store clerk but he had an AR model rifle. Salvador Ramos was an 18yo living with his grandma about to fail out of high school but he had two AR-15 rifles.

This shyt is WAY more prevalent among regular people than it used to be. It's like you're refusing to see reality as it happens.

 

[Coco Loco]

Yeah because this never happened. They need to STFU

 

[Unknown Poster]

Also Hollywood started the gun culture we see today. Back then most people who had guns had a hunting rifle or shotgun or a simple handgun.
Then with the popularity of action movies in the 80s and 90s were stallone and schwarzenegger and them was gunning down bad guys with ARs people wanted those types of weapons too. From there the gun "culture" we see today took off and keeps growing. None of this shyt is about defending from tyranny or whatever people want to tell themselves but just gun, ammo and accessory makers wanting to keep making profits and culture war