Cato: Don’t Let Utopian Public Schooling Rhetoric Block School Choice

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Don’t Let Utopian Public Schooling Rhetoric Block School Choice


I recently read Democracy’s Schools: The Rise of Public Education in America by Johann Neem, which in its title delivers the bedrock myth of public schooling: that it is essential to building harmonious, well‐informed, citizens of a democracy. And it’s not just in the title that Neem waxes poetic about the public schools. In his preface he briefly recounts his experience as an immigrant child in Bay Area, California public schools, concluding that “by democratizing access to the kind of liberal arts education that was once reserved for the few, the common schools prepare all young people to take part in the shared life of our democracy.” Neem echoes the rhetoric of Horace Mann, the “father of the common school,” who in the 1830s and 40s brought a missionary zeal to promoting largely uniform, free public schools in Massachusetts.

The problem is that once you delve into the reality of public schooling, it does not at all match the rhetoric. To the credit of Neem and many other historians, they do not duck the reality, even if they seem to ultimately let the rhetoric get the better of them. Neem’s book is focused on pre‐Civil War education, so he may have a different view of later public schooling, but towards the end of the book he offers a sober take on the reality of common schooling:

Schools may have effectively taught the basics, the three ‘Rs and a bit more, but they were less effective at inspiring young people to be citizens and to engage in self‐culture. Instead, students saw schooling as something to get through. While in some cases this led to actual violence between teachers and students, in most cases there was tacit agreement that teachers had the authority to demand students’ compliance, and that students, with the support or pressure of their parents, would have to perform. There is little evidence that students left school wanting more.

Public schools were not forging unified, enlightened citizens, as was the goal, but were largely just a mundane part of life. Which would be fine, except that taxpayer support of uniform public schooling is compelled on the grounds that it is so much more than what it actually is—it is essential for “democracy,” right?—and in that privileged position it has often been worse than just ineffectual at its professed purpose. It has imposed or reinforced inequality and injustice.

I won’t go over all the injustice in detail—you can see where I’ve discussed it in more depth—but remember that for much of its history public schooling often discriminated against minority religions, most notably Roman Catholics. It often either completely barred or segregated African Americans—not just in the South—and in some places Mexican and Asian Americans. It attacked the culturally unifying language of German immigrant communities. It now systematically treats religious Americans as second‐class citizens. And it forces people with different values, cultures, and identities to fight to see which “equal” people win, and which lose.

School choice is fundamentally different from this. Based not on rhetoric about creating social and personal perfection, but on the reality of diverse human beings and communities, choice enables families to pursue the education that they want, that respects their cherished values and cultures, and that removes the threat that those with the most political power will impose their idea of “the good” on everyone.

No doubt believers in public schooling such as Neem are guided by good intentions—they truly seek the ideal of unity and enlightenment for all—but too often, especially if they oppose school choice, they may let their ideals overtake their understanding of reality. And sometimes, it may lead them to forget that liberty is the country’s truly bedrock value.
 

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American culture doesnt value education. It idolizes those that make it without education.

The most successful students I've had are the ones whose parents value education; who show them its important.

A big reason for charter schools’ success (aside from the luxury of being able to remove under performing students), is that the parents of those students showed some initiative in getting them into the school, and are more often than not parents who show their kids education is important.

If the majority of a kid’s environment is telling them education doesnt matter, its very rare that any teacher can convince them otherwise.

This debate is political, and has little to do with caring about kids or education in America...on both sides.
 

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American culture doesnt value education. It idolizes those that make it without education.
The most successful students I've had are the ones whose parents value education; who show them its important.
A big reason for charter schools’ success (aside from the luxury of being able to remove under performing students), is that the parents of those students showed some initiative in getting them into the school, and are more often than not parents who show their kids education is important.
If the majority of a kid’s environment is telling them education doesnt matter, its very rare that any teacher can convince them otherwise.
This debate is political, and has little to do with caring about kids or education in America...on both sides.
Do you think charter schools are a good thing?
 

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Do you think charter schools are a good thing?
I think that question proves my point. The real answer is yes and no, which doesn't reinforce a partisan position so it's not one that many care to think about. It's not a catchy tweet, or a campaign speech zinger.

Some are "good", some aren't. Some appear more "good" than they are because they can expel students for academic reasons, which public schools can't. In a lot of cases they appear more "good" than they are because the students have parents who cared enough to put forth the effort to get them into the school - from which you can assume they generally show their kid that education is important in other ways too....not just passively tell them to do their homework while they stare at their phone all night.

Ultimately, charter schools won't solve anything in American education....only further stratify the haves and have-nots...whether thats a good thing or not...no one really knows.
 
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Anyone who writes about public schooling as if the USA has the only public school systems in the world is far too myopic.

Yes, American schooling has problems. Big problems. There are problems in the public schools and there are problems in the private schools. However, you can look across the world and see school systems that do much better than America in some of those issues. And other school systems that do much worse.

In my experience, the more committed to public schooling a country is, the better its school system is. Imagine that.



Public schools were not forging unified, enlightened citizens, as was the goal, but were largely just a mundane part of life. Which would be fine, except that taxpayer support of uniform public schooling is compelled on the grounds that it is so much more than what it actually is—it is essential for “democracy,” right?—and in that privileged position it has often been worse than just ineffectual at its professed purpose. It has imposed or reinforced inequality and injustice.

I won’t go over all the injustice in detail—you can see where I’ve discussed it in more depth—but remember that for much of its history public schooling often discriminated against minority religions, most notably Roman Catholics. It often either completely barred or segregated African Americans—not just in the South—and in some places Mexican and Asian Americans. It attacked the culturally unifying language of German immigrant communities. It now systematically treats religious Americans as second‐class citizens. And it forces people with different values, cultures, and identities to fight to see which “equal” people win, and which lose.
Let's ignore that private schools are also generally seen by their students as a "mundane part of life" and that private schools generally INTENSIFY the racial and religious segregation. Wwhen all those schools were forced to desegregate, where do you think the white kids fled to?



School choice is fundamentally different from this. Based not on rhetoric about creating social and personal perfection, but on the reality of diverse human beings and communities, choice enables families to pursue the education that they want, that respects their cherished values and cultures, and that removes the threat that those with the most political power will impose their idea of “the good” on everyone.

No doubt believers in public schooling such as Neem are guided by good intentions—they truly seek the ideal of unity and enlightenment for all—but too often, especially if they oppose school choice, they may let their ideals overtake their understanding of reality. And sometimes, it may lead them to forget that liberty is the country’s truly bedrock value.
Show me the system that does this "school choice" effectively and has not created even worse results for the most vulnerable citizens as a result? I'm honestly curious for models. Because the best systems I know of are doing their thing through public schools.

Finland actually has a fascinating "school choice" model. All private schools are fully funded by the government, you just have to agree to take in any student who applies from the district you reside in, you can't charge students anything, and you much cover the basic curriculum fully (but you can also teach your own religion classes and whatever else if you want).

Schools which charge anything or which refuse to take in certain students are not allowed to exist.

There are some private Christian schools in Finland but for the most part 98% of kids go to public schools even when the private schools are FREE, because the public schools are so good.



Do you think charter schools are a good thing?
I like charter schools if used correctly. They should be stopgaps where schools are failing and experimental labs where outside-the-box ideas are tried out. Those ideas that succeed should be incorporated into the public schools as quickly as possible. Some of the better charter schools openly advertise this as their mission.

They aren't a permanent or large-scale solution in any sense. And those which aren't doing one of the above two jobs effectively probably shouldn't exist.
 
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