CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

[ill]

Why not?

Governing one race/culture/peoples is more simple than the alternative. In America we have people from all over, bringing their previous beefs with them. My view is in a homogenous society most people are very similar in values and culture and they aren't fighting each other. They usually have no one to have conflict with so they don't need violence. The exception to the rule are countries deep in poverty. Honduras is the murder capital right now and its very homogenous. Poverty is the #1 factor in my mind that drives gun violence. In a heterogenous society like America, we have people from all over bringing their views on other people into the mix. Its always us vs them in America and that fosters violence because people want to get ahead. We also have a huge poverty issue in America that drives violence.

 

[mbewane]

Hollywood and the music industry?

I really do believe that it's impossible to be an American gun owner and not see yourself as a movie character under specific circumstances subconsciously. In other words, you can be the most self-controlled American gun owner but under a particularly stressful situation your brain may just do a quick leap to: "What did that character do again? He/She was in the same exact situation I'm in right now."

Living in America you understand that people just aren't relaxed, and a lot of it has to do with them trying to align their interactions/experiences with movies/series. Or worse, a media that sensationalizes damn near everything.

Disclaimer : I'm not American nor do I live in the US, so y'all can disregard the following and kim if you want

- Entertainment def plays a huge role. There's definitely a huge "gun-culture" being portrayed via media/entertainment (movies, hh...I mean there's a rapper called "Gunplay" ) so imo guns in the US are just so "part of the picture" that it's normal/cool to have one.

- History. We all know about the Constitution, but let's not forget that the US was built on conquering ( = stealing) land, killing native americans, enslaving Black people, the Civil War, etc. War/violence is part of the "American Dream" it seems. Wasn't there a statistic about how the US has been in some war almost all of its existence?

- The military-industrial complex. You can't promote the army/war while not making people WANT to have guns and use them. It's a huge business. Plus contrary to old European nations you guys have never been attacked on your soil so you don't really feel the need to tone down the war rhetoric.

- Culture. Capital punishment is still aroudn in the US, and y'all don't care one bit about torturing "suspects" and going through all kinds of moral loopholes to "justify" it.. Even cops killing kids cause a week-long outrage, and that's it. There is a "shyt happens"/"by all means necessary" mentality that puts gun ownership/violence above certain lives, because guns supposedly represent a "right" for some. And that "right" is worth more than some human lives. But that's not really surprising considering the history.

- Culture. It's those same loopholes that make pro-gun people say "Well a knife too can kill". Yes, but how many mass-killings are done by knives? HOw many people get killed by knives, as opposed to injured by them?

- I think a lot of Americans deep down really believe they are some sort of "chosen people". American exceptionalism if you wish. As we know, over history that has lead people to morally put themselves, and their "rights", above others. On this very site a poster once agreed with the following : "So you consider that you right to have a gun is worth more than someone's life".

 

[88m3]

The single greatest difference between Americans and Swiss is poverty. Swiss are relatively rich across the board. Americans are not. Theres where the difference in gun violence comes from. Having riches outweighs the hetero/homogenous societies.

I'm sure I can find 'one or two' "poor countries" where gun violence is less prevalent than in America.

 

[ill]

I'm sure I can find 'one or two' "poor countries" where gun violence is less prevalent than in America.

Go for it. One or two poor countries with less gun violence could just mean they haven't had access to guns yet. Most poor countries can't afford American guns nor have the infrastructure or knowledge to build their own guns. Hows their other violence rates going though?

 

[mbewane]

The single greatest difference between Americans and Swiss is poverty. Swiss are relatively rich across the board. Americans are not. Theres where the difference in gun violence comes from. Having riches outweighs the hetero/homogenous societies.

That's all America's and Americans fault. Average american will cry "Communism!!!" if you talk about social redistribution. Hell you had people protesting AGAINST healthcare

Yet you don't blink when trillions are spent bombing "suspects" in Wherevistan. "Freedom!!!"

 

[88m3]

Go for it. One or two poor countries with less gun violence could just mean they haven't had access to guns yet. Most poor countries can't afford American guns nor have the infrastructure or knowledge to build their own guns. Hows their other violence rates going though?

I don't think we should make excuses for America being an extremely violent, gun obsessed culture we should change it. Saying people are poor in America and that's why there is more gun violence there seems outlandish when most of the world lives in relative poverty compared to the US and their gun death rates are still lower.

 

[ill]

I don't think we should make excuses for America being an extremely violent, gun obsessed culture we should change it. Saying people are poor in America and that's why there is more gun violence here seems outlandish when most of the world lives in relative poverty compared to the US and their gun death rates are low.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sort by Homicides. Plenty of poor countries with MUCH higher gun death rates than the US.

 

[88m3]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sort by Homicides. Plenty of poor countries with MUCH higher gun death rates than the US.

Only 15 countries are higher and from the ones I see quickly, most of the world isn't even listed, and of the 15 that are higher most have essentially low intensity conflicts going on in them.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Governing one race/culture/peoples is more simple than the alternative. In America we have people from all over, bringing their previous beefs with them. My view is in a homogenous society most people are very similar in values and culture and they aren't fighting each other. They usually have no one to have conflict with so they don't need violence. The exception to the rule are countries deep in poverty. Honduras is the murder capital right now and its very homogenous. Poverty is the #1 factor in my mind that drives gun violence. In a heterogenous society like America, we have people from all over bringing their views on other people into the mix. Its always us vs them in America and that fosters violence because people want to get ahead. We also have a huge poverty issue in America that drives violence.

This would make sense if the bulk of murders were across cultural lines, but the majority of murders in the US have perps and victims of the same race and background

So "cultural conflict" is no go... and actually, the top 10 AND bottom 10 countries by murder rate are very homogeneous, or at the minimum way more so than the US.

So again I ask, why can't we compare gun crime rates of countries of varying cultural homogeneity, since it's obvious there is no correlation between cultural composition and gun crime? Again, this is a mondo gun rights (and right wing in general) red herring... something that gets thrown out by people who hear things and don't think them through :scumbag:

 

[mbewane]

I don't think we should make excuses for America being an extremely violent, gun obsessed culture we should change it. Saying people are poor in America and that's why there is more gun violence there seems outlandish when most of the world lives in relative poverty compared to the US and their gun death rates are still lower.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sort by Homicides. Plenty of poor countries with MUCH higher gun death rates than the US.

What is funny is that in these instances pro-gun brehs often compare the US to POORER countries. The US is the most powerful, richest, most advanced country in the world, probably in history, and we're comparing it to the Nicaraguas and the Liberias of the world? It should strictly be compared to countries with similar GDPs, Canada, GB, France, Japan, that kind of countries. French people don't pats themselves on the back because homicides are lower here than in Albania

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

gun control =/= gun ban

fukk the nra, they had no problem with taking guns out minorities hands.

 

[thekingsmen]

gun control =/= gun ban

fukk the nra, they had no problem with taking guns out minorities hands.

When did the NRA do that?

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

When did the NRA do that?

during the civil rights era....they didn't become hard 2nd amendment til the late 1970s

 

[thekingsmen]

during the civil rights era....they didn't become hard 2nd amendment til the late 1970s

Can you provide some evidence?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

What is funny is that in these instances pro-gun brehs often compare the US to POORER countries. The US is the most powerful, richest, most advanced country in the world, probably in history, and we're comparing it to the Nicaraguas and the Liberias of the world? It should strictly be compared to countries with similar GDPs, Canada, GB, France, Japan, that kind of countries. French people don't pats themselves on the back because homicides are lower here than in Albania

It's because we are "multicultural"...... infer from that what you may, I don't even think @Ill even understands what's really being said there