CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

[Tate]

Uh because people blame poverty for the murder rate perhaps?

You said nearly every country has inequality exceeding that of the U.S., that's wrong even if you include the undeveloped countries.

Inequality matters as much as poverty. Inequality+poverty leads to alienation, the greatest social ill. Alienated people are the ones who kill with disregard. Poverty is just a single aspect of the causes. It matters but it's incomplete without the others.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

You said nearly every country has inequality exceeding that of the U.S., that's wrong even if you include the undeveloped countries.

Inequality matters as much as poverty. Inequality+poverty leads to alienation, the greatest social ill. Alienated people are the ones who kill with disregard. Poverty is just a single aspect of the causes. It matters but it's incomplete without the others.

Sounds like you need to flesh out your argument.

 

[mbewane]

GB is a terrible example to use. Their violent crime rates skyrocketed after they banned guns. I posted the chart in this thread. Wales has the highest rates of violent crime in the developed world.

Criminal Victimization in Seventeen Industrialized Countries, Dutch Ministry of Justice, 2001


Some reading material
Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org
The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence
Gun Facts | Gun Control and Crime in non-US Countries

We're talking about gun-related violence aren't we? Why are you dodging the 2 questions I asked? What about the other countries I mentionned? Interesting how the examples in your post are neo-liberal anglo-saxon countries

 

[storyteller]

Here's an example of a gun law that appears smart, easy enough to implement and statistically effective, saw it referenced in a Time article yesterday. You ain't gotta ban guns, but smart laws can be effective.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302703

40% reduction in firearm homicide rates through a permit to purchase law.

 

[Calmye]

Well the idea is that by making it harder for everyone to get guns it would make it harder for felons to get them through informal means. Private sellers make bank by selling shady guys(some felons, some not) guns. No one is manufacturing guns in their backyard. They all come from legal places, it's just exceedingly easy for them to end up in illegal hands through loopholes and faulty checks, as we've seen in recent incidents.

yeah because that work so well with drugs right. Nothing the Government can do to stop CRIMINALS fron getting a gun
making it harder for law abiding citizens to own a gun is just putting people at risk and not allowing them to protect their families and property. The study says as much.

 

[Calmye]

African American males are most affected by firearm-related violence, with “32 per 100,000” deaths. Risk factors and predictors of violence include income inequality, “diminished economic opportunities . . . high levels of family disruption” and “low levels of community participation.”

 

[bnm8907]

Agreed, except for the criminals part. It would undoubtedly prevent at least SOME gun violence and mass shootings from occurring, which seems to me to be much better than no difference.

You're right though, I have no idea how a gun ban would be possible right now in the US. Gun nuts would probably lose it and start causing violence.
You can and should implement universal background checks though

Honestly with respect to gun laws I wish it we were like england. The way we just own the fact our country is invested with guns like its a badge of honour is discusting.

However it is what it is. As other have said were are too deep in it now. The whole" we need more guns because there are so many guns" argument is sad but possibly somewhat true.

The constitution protecting the right to bare arms may have been useful back then but in our mordern society it has trully backfired on us no pun intended.

 

[tmonster]

We're talking about gun-related violence aren't we? Why are you dodging the 2 questions I asked? What about the other countries I mentionned? Interesting how the examples in your post are neo-liberal anglo-saxon countries

not only that, IIRC, his numbers were debunked years ago and the rise was due to a newly adopted set of definitions for different categories of violence, I wish I could find the link, I had this argument so long ago

 

[thekingsmen]

@DEAD7 tell them why they mad?

 

[JahFocus CS]

In a world like this, no one will tell me I can't own a firearm of my choosing.

 

[CHL]

In a world like this, no one will tell me I can't own a firearm of my choosing.

cmon breh

 

[ill]

not only that, IIRC, his numbers were debunked years ago and the rise was due to a newly adopted set of definitions for different categories of violence, I wish I could find the link, I had this argument so long ago

You mean like how Britain doesn't report homicides if the case isn't solved? Yeah..about that. Their rates of violent crime is much higher than the stats show. Go read how they define their stats.

 

[tmonster]

You mean like how Britain doesn't report homicides if the case isn't solved? Yeah..about that. Their rates of violent crime is much higher than the stats show. Go read how they define their stats.

I already did all my homework when I was in school

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Lol the UK is not homogeneous. And in any case, why can't we compare homogeneous countries to heterogeneous ones like the US? This is one of my favorite right wing red herrings.

Breh called australia a homogenous country too. I'm sure @Melbournelad had a laugh at that