Charleston White says fukk Charlie Kirk

[Ish Gibor]

But is he wrong in his overall message?


No, this shyt has always been them but looking for the next thing to blame instead. Used to be video games and rap..


No more and more people are becoming WOKE to who causes the real fukkshyt out here.

Even their Governor was on TV like “..bad stuff happens “ once they found out FOR SURE that the kid wasn’t black or brown.




Nope.. a country boy born and bred with a rifle in his hand, pops law enforcement, both vote Republican, in possibly the whitest state in the country. This shyt is high key breaking their hearts…


And then had a school shooting by another one that same day. I expect more tbh

As a matter of fact the governor attached the incident to George Lloyd, somehow for some reason.

 

[Ish Gibor]

What has been going on in the GOP within recent time.

Prompt, Recent brawls within the Republican Party:

Here’s a more detailed breakdown of recent conflicts within the Republican Party — ideological, policy, personality clashes — showing how the fault lines are emerging. Happy to dig into a specific state or subgroup if you prefer.

Major Internal GOP Conflicts, 2025

Conflict	What It’s About	Key Players	Why It Matters
Rand Paul vs. Vice President J.D. Vance	Clash over use of military force / due process. Vance praised a strike that sank a Venezuelan boat (alleged drug smugglers), saying it was “the highest and best use of the military.” Paul criticized it as reckless, arguing that killing people without trial is dangerous.	Rand Paul; JD Vance; broader divide between libertarian‐leaning GOP vs hawkish, militaristic streaks.	Raises questions about how far the “pro‐military” or “tough on crime/drugs” rhetoric goes in practice. Also pits civil libertarian values vs populist “law & order” impulses. Could affect future GOP foreign/military policy posture.
Foreign Policy / “America First” vs Traditional Hawks	Disagreements over aid to Ukraine, involvement in Middle East, Iran, U.S. obligations abroad. Some in GOP want a more isolationist or transactional foreign policy; others want continued global engagement (alliances, commitments). For instance, a hearing of nominee Elbridge Colby exposed tensions on resource allocation between Europe/Middle East vs China. Also debate over supporting Israel vs when/if to strike Iran.	Trump‐aligned MAGA figures; VP Vance; “traditional” GOP foreign policy hawks (e.g. some Senators, defense establishment); non-interventionist conservatives.	Indicates the party is re‐defining foreign policy norms. This has implications for alliances, military aid, elections, and what “conservatism” means in U.S. foreign policy.
Redistricting Pressure & Primary Threats	Trump allies pushing for redrawing legislative districts mid-decade in states like Indiana and Texas to maximize GOP seats. Those Republicans who resist face threats of primary challenges. Some GOP lawmakers are uncomfortable with shifting maps, pointing to partisan overreach or risk to incumbents.	Donald Trump and his political operation; state GOP leadership (legislators, governors); “Forward America” and other supportive political groups; incumbents who might be harmed.	Shows the intra‐party power dynamics: alignment with Trump’s agenda is being enforced not just by rhetoric, but via electoral threats. Could lead to more loyalty tests, or fracturing, especially among “establishment” or moderate Republicans.
Freedom Caucus / Procedural vs Leadership Tensions	Disagreements over rules, proxy voting, procedural mechanisms, and what counts as acceptable compromise. E.g., conflict around allowing absent members (new parents) to vote by proxy; some members viewed certain procedural votes as betrayals. One recent example: Anna Paulina Luna resigned from Freedom Caucus after disputes.	Freedom Caucus hardliners; House GOP leadership; moderate or less ideological GOP members.	Highlights that even within conservative factions there are limits; disagreements over how rigid or flexible the operational rules should be. Also matters because procedural rules impact legislative output and who gets rewarded or punished.
Culture/Rhetoric After Charlie Kirk’s Death / Political Violence	The killing of Charlie Kirk has triggered strong rhetoric from GOP leaders. Some calls for calm and de-escalation; others pushing combative language and attributing blame to “the radical left.” This has exacerbated disagreements about tone, strategy, electoral risk.	Republican governors; national GOP figures; conservative media; grassroots activists vs more moderate or cautious members.	Reflects the tension between mobilizing base emotions (which often elevates division) vs keeping broader appeal and avoiding backlash. Also could impact internal cohesion if leaders differ strongly in how to respond to violence or extreme events.

Emerging Trends & Themes

• MAGA vs “Traditional” GOP: Many of the conflicts can be seen as a tug of war between the MAGA / America First wing (more populist, sometimes more aggressive or unilateral in rhetoric or policy) and more “establishment” or traditional conservative wings (more internationalist, more cautious about legal norms or institutions).
• Enforcing Loyalty via Primaries or Threats: Not just disagreements in private — there are concrete threats (redistricting, primary challenges) holding GOP members accountable for not toeing certain lines. This increases pressure on moderate members.
• Policy (Foreign, Crime, Voting) as Dividing Lines: Issues like foreign policy, voting rights and election laws, law & order/criminal justice tend to generate the sharpest divisions. These are not just policy debates but identity and strategy debates: what direction the party wants to take.
• Procedural/Institutional Disputes matter: It’s not always what laws to pass, but how. Rules about proxy voting, how discipline within the caucus works, how leadership is chosen — these are often overlooked but they shape which faction has effective control.

If you like, I can map these conflicts by state, or chart how they might play out in the 2026 midterms. Do you want to go that route?

 

[Ish Gibor]

If you like, I can map these conflicts by state, or chart how they might play out in the 2026 midterms. Do you want to go that route?

“Here are some state-level flashpoints in the GOP in 2025 / leading into 2026, showing how internal conflicts are playing out, and what the implications might be. If you want, I can map them geographically or by which faction is winning/losing.

State-Level Conflicts & Battles

State	Issue	Who’s Clashing	Stakes / Why It Matters
Texas	Mid-decade redistricting pushed by Republican legislature (with pressure from Trump) to redraw congressional districts in a way that favors the GOP in 2026.	GOP state legislature, GOP leadership vs Democratic lawmakers; also some concern among Republicans about incumbents being hurt by map changes.	If successful, the GOP could pick up multiple U.S. House seats. But it also risks blowback (legal challenges, public backlash), internal dissent from Republicans uneasy with overly aggressive maps. Incumbent safety, intra-GOP pressure, impact on minority representation are at issue.
Missouri	Special legislative session to redraw congressional maps; a GOP map is moving forward that would reconfigure Democratic districts (notably in Kansas City) to favor Republicans.	GOP leadership in the state legislature including the Governor, with some Republicans opposing on procedural or precedent grounds, vs Democrats and civil rights groups opposing on fairness and representation grounds.	If enacted, it shifts the balance toward the GOP in U.S. House seats. Also raises intra-GOP questions about mid-decade redistricting (viability, legal risk) and how far state GOPs can go. Potential precedent for other states.
Virginia	Dispute in the 5th District between local GOP leaders and the state party over “loyalty tests” for candidates — i.e. whether GOP candidates must meet certain criteria of alignment or orthodoxy.	Conservative wing (or more ideologically pure GOP members) pushing loyalty expectations vs more moderate or local GOP figures who may resist. The state party leadership is trying to enforce stricter alignment.	These “tests” of loyalty can produce primary challenges, reduce unity, alienate local GOP actors, but they may also help the faction enforcing the tests in consolidating control. This is especially relevant in swing districts.
Oregon	Representative Cyrus Javadi switched from Republican to Democrat, citing that the GOP is now more focused on obstruction than doing governance, especially around cultural issues (drag, LGBTQ+ issues, free speech/book bans).	Javadi vs GOP leadership / base; also reflects tensions between cultural conservatives and more moderate Republicans (or Republicans whose personal values conflict with some of the culture-war policy pushes).	While one defection may not shift large numbers, it signals potential for losses in marginal seats where cultural issues dominate. Also hurts GOP’s narrative of unity; may encourage more defections or push moderates to be more vocal or independent.
Florida	A proxy war between Trump and Governor Ron DeSantis over who controls influential state party posts / appointments. E.g. the CFO role: DeSantis appointed one of his loyalists, but Trump had backed a different Republican, leading to tensions.	DeSantis vs Trump-aligned GOP figures; competing influence over state level party machinery.	Control of state party apparatus matters for candidate recruitment, messaging, endorsements. These appointments can signal which faction (MAGA, establishment, etc.) has ascendancy in future primaries. Could also diminish cooperation between wings of the party.

Implications for the Midterms & Beyond

• Primary Challenges & Loyalty Tests: More Republicans are being judged less by electability and more by ideological purity or alignment with Trump / MAGA positions. This may push some moderates out or force them to adopt more hard-line stances.
• Redistricting as Strategy & Risk: Aggressive redistricting is a tool to gain legislative and congressional seats, but it carries significant legal and reputational risk. Also, for some GOP incumbents, new maps may threaten their own seats, especially in places where districts are being redrawn in aggressive ways.
• Defections & Public Signaling: Defections like that of Javadi in Oregon serve as both warnings and signals. If more occur, it could alter marginal races in 2026, and make GOP unity harder to sustain in some states.
• Factional Power Struggles: Battles like Trump vs DeSantis over appointments indicate that state party infrastructure control is a key front. Whoever controls these levers has major influence in the party’s future direction.
• Legal / Electoral Fairness Pressure: As redistricting maps more aggressively favoring Republicans pass or are pushed, legal challenges mount. Civil rights groups, sometimes internal GOP critics, may oppose on grounds of fairness or impacts on minority representation. Vote suppression concerns get more attention.

If you like, I can pull together a map showing where GOP internal divisions are strongest (by state), or a list of which incumbents are most vulnerable to primary or intra-party challenges. What would be more useful?

 

[Ish Gibor]

Prompt:

“Groyper” has a few layers of meaning, depending on context:

1. Origin – Meme/Frog Character
   • It started as a variation of Pepe the Frog, with a chubbier body and smug, folded-hands pose.
   • People on message boards like ***** and Twitter used “groyper” as a meme character — usually to show a more sarcastic, scheming, or self-satisfied version of Pepe.
2. 
   
3. Political Usage
   • In the late 2010s, U.S. far-right activists, particularly followers of Nick Fuentes, adopted the “groyper” image and called themselves the “Groyper Army.”
   • In this sense, a “groyper” is a supporter of white nationalist or extreme conservative politics, often focused on opposing mainstream conservatives whom they see as too moderate.
4. 
   
5. Broader Internet Slang
   • Outside of politics, sometimes “groyper” is just shorthand for that meme frog image or style, not necessarily tied to ideology.

So: a groyper can mean simply a smug Pepe-style meme character, or it can mean someone aligned with Fuentes’ far-right movement, depending on context.

Do you want me to break down its political role (like the “Groyper Wars” against mainstream conservatives), or just the meme history?

 

[Ish Gibor]

Do you want me to break down its political role (like the “Groyper Wars” against mainstream conservatives), or just the meme history?


Got it — let’s go a bit deeper into both meme history and political role of “groyper.”

Meme History

• 2015–2016: Pepe the Frog is everywhere online. People begin making variations — one of them is the “groyper,” a plump frog leaning on folded hands with a smug face.
• Groypers get used in forums and meme culture as a way to show someone being sneaky, sarcastic, or “smugly waiting.”
• At this stage, the meaning is just funny internet frog art.

Political Role (“Groyper Army”)

• 2018–2019: Nick Fuentes, a far-right activist, and his followers start using the groyper as their symbol.
• They call themselves the “Groyper Army.”
• Their main target: mainstream conservatives like Charlie Kirk (Turning Point USA), Dan Crenshaw, and Ben Shapiro — whom they see as “too moderate,” too supportive of Israel, or too tolerant of immigration and LGBTQ rights.

The Groyper Wars (2019)

• Groypers attended events hosted by mainstream conservatives and asked hostile, loaded questions.
• Their goal was to embarrass speakers and push far-right talking points (e.g., restricting immigration, rejecting foreign wars, opposing diversity initiatives).
• This got them attention — and the groyper frog became a symbol of the ultra-right youth faction within U.S. politics.

Summary of Meanings

• Neutral meme: Smug, folded-hand Pepe variant used for jokes.
• Political movement: Nick Fuentes’ far-right followers, often anti-immigration, anti-LGBTQ, and hostile to mainstream conservative figures.

Do you want me to also show you how groypers differ from other far-right meme groups (like “alt-right,” “America First,” or “incels”), so you see where they fit in?

 

[Ish Gibor]

Tabitha goes deeper into the Groyper cult.