Charley Burley vs the last 30 years

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vs Hagler=tough call but will go with Burley's experience as they seem equally matched
vs RJJ=could be a snorefest as both could be counter-punchers in this match-up. While Burley should win, RJJ's flurries may sway judges
vs Toney=a true legend, Toney would give Burley fits but Burley gets the close nod due to work rate
vs Julian Jackson=arguably the best one-punch ko artist in boxing, I see Burley ko'ing him as The Hawk always went for the KO
vs Gerald McClellan=I am very biased here as G-Man was a beast and one of my all-time favorites; Burley by a comfortable decision win
vs Ward=Burley's power and experience edges out Ward's tenacity; that grab and hold would not work on Burley
vs Hopkins=see above

(more than 30 years) vs Carlos Monzon=Monzon was a killer, but if Rodrigo Valdes could win and be robbed, so would Burley

Burley 6-2 in this (7-2 if he rematched RJJ & Monzon)
 

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Y'all need to school me on Charley B, heard he was the innovator of a lot of styles.......
 

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Y'all need to school me on Charley B, heard he was the innovator of a lot of styles.......
Called the greatest fighter to.never fight for a world title..though he beat a few future (Archie Moore, Billy Soose, Fritzie Zivic)...never stopped in his career. Only Ezzard Charles and Jimmy Bivins had his number-->ATG fighters

 

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Not enough footage available to make a determination about his h2h capability...but he's probably top 20-25 all-time based on his resume...and greater than most, if not all on that list.
 

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charley burley had a very nice step back.

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any guy with a good step back is very hard to hit.

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he was very hard to hit and he can hang you out on the end of his jab and step back from your counter. so he was very hard to counter.

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from what i can see which is only what i can know burley was not a check hook guy or even very much of a counter puncher. he wanted to hang you out on the end of his punches and step back from your punches. not a mover. not a busy puncher.

vs Hagler

there is hagler the boxer who tamed bennie briscoe with finesse and grace and there is hagler the seeker and destroyer who seeked and destroyed tommy hearns. there is orthodox hagler and there is southpaw hagler. but i am not sure any hagler beats charley burley.

burley beats hagler.


a former sparring partner of burley once compared burley to jones. i can understand this point of view. they are much the same in some ways however jones was more of a mover and more of a counter puncher and he played chess with his check hook.

jones beats burley. barely.


the story is burley was working at his factory job in san diego and was asked to get in the ring with archie moore that night. so with his boxing shoes in hand he got on a bus to hollywood. burley knocked down moore for a five count in the 1st, an eight count in the 3rd, a seven count in the 4th, and had moore ready to go in the 10th. moore had a term he used to represent his own interesting boxing style and this term was escapology. this is as it sounds. moore was an escape artist. my own theory is moore used to try to show you what to hit teasing you to hit what he was showing you and then when you punched where he wanted you to punch he moved out of the way steering your punches into thin air.

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toney and moore were reach and teach guys. that is to say they wanted to show you upper body movement to make you overextend your punches. when you overextended your punches they countered you. when roy jones shut out james toney he never played into toneys own interesting brand of escapology. jones never reached. so toney never teached. toney makes burley miss but burley is always ready to press down on his front foot and step back from toneys counters. burley doesnt reach. toney doesnt teach.

burley beats toney.

vs Julian Jackson

jackson swings big and misses bigger.

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burley beats jackson.

vs Gerald McClellan

g man never had the chance to meet a true pure boxer. big question mark for a boxing boogeyman. g man was big but burley beat and battered heavyweights.

burley beats g man.


burley may or may not hit ward with a few big shots but steady movement and the presence of wards jab filling in any dead gaps of inactivity has ward gradually emerging ahead on points.

ward beats burley.

vs Hopkins

hopkins trying to jab and grab or in his case steal a right hand and grab is met only with a burley step back. so hopkins is going to have to box burley honest. hopkins has to start fast and he cant give away rounds the two things he never seemed to manage doing whenever he was in the same ring with a person who was not so easily confused by his tricks and gimmicks. burley is one such a person.

burley beats hopkins.

vs Carlos Monzon

monzon threw one of the best jabs there ever was. a guy with a good jab and a good step back is so hard beat and monzon had each of these things so monzon was hard to beat. monzon went undefeated for 80 bouts with a jab, a step back, and a big right hand. some guys throw a hard jab. some guys throw a quick jab. monzons jab was not hard or quick. monzons jab was steady. everything you do in a ring with monzon every move you make is with a jab in front of your face.

monzon beats burley.

5-3. burley beats punchers and counter punchers. beats boxer punchers with pure boxing. beaten by jabs and movement.
 
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g man never had the chance to meet a true pure boxer. big question mark for a boxing boogeyman. g man was big but burley beat and battered heavyweights.

burley beats g man.

i wouldn't say g-man never met a true pure boxer...dennis milton was a pretty slick fighter..light hitting too and he took g-man's zero
 

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i wouldn't say g-man never met a true pure boxer...dennis milton was a pretty slick fighter..light hitting too and he took g-man's zero

then he was beat again back to back by a guy who was 13-8. he was just an attacker in those days. then emanuel steward changed everything.

I got close with Gerald after his back-to-back losses because I knew that I potentially had an all-time great boxer-puncher on my hands, I just had to switch him from his all-out attack mind-set into a patient boxing boxer's mind-set with a power punch for when the opening was sensed.
 

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Called the greatest fighter to.never fight for a world title..though he beat a few future (Archie Moore, Billy Soose, Fritzie Zivic)...never stopped in his career. Only Ezzard Charles and Jimmy Bivins had his number-->ATG fighters




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Called the greatest fighter to.never fight for a world title..though he beat a few future (Archie Moore, Billy Soose, Fritzie Zivic)...never stopped in his career. Only Ezzard Charles and Jimmy Bivins had his number-->ATG fighters

And both naturally bigger fighters that went on to campaign at HW
 

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then he was beat again back to back by a guy who was 13-8. he was just an attacker in those days. then emanuel steward changed everything.

I got close with Gerald after his back-to-back losses because I knew that I potentially had an all-time great boxer-puncher on my hands, I just had to switch him from his all-out attack mind-set into a patient boxing boxer's mind-set with a power punch for when the opening was sensed.

Even though this is sparring (you too @patscorpio ) you can get an idea of what could happen to G-Man vs a slick fighter:

 

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charley burley had a very nice step back.

sPWwbsuo.gif


any guy with a good step back is very hard to hit.

kzeVH9nY.gif


he was very hard to hit and he can hang you out on the end of his jab and step back from your counter. so he was very hard to counter.

4f85SVJI.gif


from what i can see which is only what i can know burley was not a check hook guy or even very much of a counter puncher. he wanted to hang you out on the end of his punches and step back from your punches. not a mover. not a busy puncher.



there is hagler the boxer who tamed bennie briscoe with finesse and grace and there is hagler the seeker and destroyer who seeked and destroyed tommy hearns. there is orthodox hagler and there is southpaw hagler. but i am not sure any hagler beats charley burley.

burley beats hagler.



a former sparring partner of burley once compared burley to jones. i can understand this point of view. they are much the same in some ways however jones was more of a mover and more of a counter puncher and he played chess with his check hook.

jones beats burley. barely.



the story is burley was working at his factory job in san diego and was asked to get in the ring with archie moore that night. so with his boxing shoes in hand he got on a bus to hollywood. burley knocked down moore for a five count in the 1st, an eight count in the 3rd, a seven count in the 4th, and had moore ready to go in the 10th. moore had a term he used to represent his own interesting boxing style and this term was escapology. this is as it sounds. moore was an escape artist. my own theory is moore used to try to show you what to hit teasing you to hit what he was showing you and then when you punched where he wanted you to punch he moved out of the way steering your punches into thin air.

a5t3QbSG.gif

toney and moore were reach and teach guys. that is to say they wanted to show you upper body movement to make you overextend your punches. when you overextended your punches they countered you. when roy jones shut out james toney he never played into toneys own interesting brand of escapology. jones never reached. so toney never teached. toney makes burley miss but burley is always ready to press down on his front foot and step back from toneys counters. burley doesnt reach. toney doesnt teach.

burley beats toney.



jackson swings big and misses bigger.

xmmoUr55.gif

burley beats jackson.



g man never had the chance to meet a true pure boxer. big question mark for a boxing boogeyman. g man was big but burley beat and battered heavyweights.

burley beats g man.



burley may or may not hit ward with a few big shots but steady movement and the presence of wards jab filling in any dead gaps of inactivity has ward gradually emerging ahead on points.

ward beats burley.



hopkins trying to jab and grab or in his case steal a right hand and grab is met only with a burley step back. so hopkins is going to have to box burley honest. hopkins has to start fast and he cant give away rounds the two things he never seemed to manage doing whenever he was in the same ring with a person who was not so easily confused by his tricks and gimmicks. burley is one such a person.

burley beats hopkins.



monzon threw one of the best jabs there ever was. a guy with a good jab and a good step back is so hard beat and monzon had each of these things so monzon was hard to beat. monzon went undefeated for 80 bouts with a jab, a step back, and a big right hand. some guys throw a hard jab. some guys throw a quick jab. monzons jab was not hard or quick. monzons jab was steady. everything you do in a ring with monzon every move you make is with a jab in front of your face.

monzon beats burley.

5-3. burley beats punchers and counter punchers. beats boxer punchers with pure boxing. beaten by jabs and movement.

:ehh:
 
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