China places strategic ground to air missiles in Zimbabwe

[NvrCMyNut]

Don't you be wishing ill on Zimbabwe.

I'm uncomfortable with any country building military facilities on African land. Especially if that country's military isn't building their forces to equal measure. However, China is building some impressive things for Africa. US/UK/EU can for right now. They had their chance and we've seen what they did with that.

What did they do? Ceated by far the most prosperous country on the continent. A better question is what are Africans doing that they need everyone else to build shyt for them?

 

[Robbie3000]

Where are the reeducation through hard labor camps in America? And no not "prison".

I keep telling y'all, it's all well and good to be against certain injustices in the US. Trump is an anomaly. The country, at face value, not only accepts the criticism, but is structured in such a way that the criticism can lead to meaningful change.

THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE

Breh, you are ignoring all the brutal authoritarian regimes the US has backed over time while hypocritically preaching democracy and rule of law.

Atleast China has hands off policy when it comes to the internal politics of countries.

The US history in Africa, Asia and SA is a bloody one and those places should be more suspicious of the US, than China.

We are starting with a clean slate with China.

 

[88m3]

Breh, you are ignoring all the brutal authoritarian regimes the US has backed over time while hypocritically preaching democracy and rule of law.

Atleast China has hands off policy when it comes to the internal politics of countries.

The US history in Africa, Asia and SA is a bloody one and those places should be more suspicious of the US, than China.

We are starting with a clean slate with China.

How can you say that with a straight face?

 

[ZoeGod]

Where are the reeducation through hard labor camps in America? And no not "prison".

I keep telling y'all, it's all well and good to be against certain injustices in the US. Trump is an anomaly. The country, at face value, not only accepts the criticism, but is structured in such a way that the criticism can lead to meaningful change.

THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE

What change of policy has the US done towards Haiti? Again any African nation who sees how the US bullies,interfere with the internal affairs of the country should not trust the US. There has been no meaningful change of US policy towards Haiti. Look at this.

Where is the US equivalent for what is China offering to Haiti? Exactly nothing so I do not see this meaningful change bullshyt you talking about. After 200 years of bullying and intimidation the US failed to make any meaningful change. Only thing they did was arm paramilitary death squads (FRAPH and Guy Philippe's army) and interfere with Haiti's internal affairs. The US and the West had their chance and fukked it up. We are entering an age of multipolarity and its a good thing because we have choices.

 

[newworldafro]

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What change of policy has the US done towards Haiti? Again any African nation who sees how the US bullies,interfere with the internal affairs of the country should not trust the US. There has been no meaningful change of US policy towards Haiti. Look at this.

Where is the US equivalent for what is China offering to Haiti? Exactly nothing so I do not see this meaningful change bullshyt you talking about. After 200 years of bullying and intimidation the US failed to make any meaningful change. Only thing they did was arm paramilitary death squads (FRAPH and Guy Philippe's army) and interfere with Haiti's internal affairs. The US and the West had their chance and fukked it up. We are entering an age of multipolarity and its a good thing because we have choices.

 

[88m3]

What change of policy has the US done towards Haiti? Again any African nation who sees how the US bullies,interfere with the internal affairs of the country should not trust the US. There has been no meaningful change of US policy towards Haiti. Look at this.

Where is the US equivalent for what is China offering to Haiti? Exactly nothing so I do not see this meaningful change bullshyt you talking about. After 200 years of bullying and intimidation the US failed to make any meaningful change. Only thing they did was arm paramilitary death squads (FRAPH and Guy Philippe's army) and interfere with Haiti's internal affairs. The US and the West had their chance and fukked it up. We are entering an age of multipolarity and its a good thing because we have choices.

That's a pretty gross oversimplification of a loan first of all /

The US has contributed a lot to Haiti over the years directly and through the UN. Obviously it could've and probably should've been more.

Haiti–United States relations - Wikipedia

 

[Secure Da Bag]

@Diasporan Royalty @loyola llothta thoughts on the above?

 

[DrBanneker]

I’m more comfortable with Africans turning towards places with natural allies.

For perspective you have to realize that it was China that helped fund and arm ZANU led by Robert Mugabe when they fought against the White minority regime. Zimbabwe and China have been actual allies for quite some time. The Soviets supported ZAPU under Joshua Nkomo who Mugabe eventually sidelined (and killed a lot of Ndebele in post-independence repression).

I would love AAs to build ties with Zimbabwe but if you look at US policy from Ian Smith until now, calling the USA and especially UK natural allies, is a stretch. I wish we had the power to mold US-African relations like AIPAC does with US-Israeli relations but that's not the reality.

 

[ZoeGod]

That's a pretty gross oversimplification of a loan first of all /

The US has contributed a lot to Haiti over the years directly and through the UN. Obviously it could've and probably should've been more.

Haiti–United States relations - Wikipedia

Oh please the damage the US has done to Haiti outweighs the “good” they have done to us. US also contributed a lot of bloodshed and war in Haiti. FRAPH was trained by the DIA, CIA to kill activists and committing atrocities. Tonton Constant was paid by the CIA 500 bucks a month and when he fled Hait he lived in Queens for years. Putting an embargo on all ready poor nation in the 90s during the Cedras regime. Have Haiti dropping tariffs on the importation of rice. Arming and training wGuy Philippe paramilitary force of ex Haitian soldiers to start a civil war to overthrow Aristide and which have made Haiti under so much chaos that it wasn’t until recently the nation has stabilized. With the aid of the Haitian and Dominican elites of courses which are puppets of America. Here some of the shyt the US has done to basically treat Haiti as a fukking colony.
America's Awful Treatment of Haiti, According to WikiLeaks - The Atlantic

Préval quickly dashed his own hopes for a strong relationship with his northern allies by negotiating a deal with the Venezuelan-based oil alliance PetroCaribe. Recognizing how the deal made sense both for Haiti's strapped budget and poverty-stricken people--the Haitian government "would save USD 100 million per year from the delayed payments" by American embassy estimates--the United States stonewalled the deal for years to come. American officials apparently helped to enlist Chevron and ExxonMobil, the only U.S. oil companies operating in Haiti, to block their shipments and refuse to transport PetroCaribe oil, a necessary requirement for Haiti to sign the deal. Despite the American ambassador's recognizing Haiti's lack of interest in anti-American politics--"At no time has Preval given any indication that he is interested in associating Haiti with Chavez’s broader ‘revolutionary agenda,'" she wrote in one cable--Sanderson suggested that the U.S. "convey our discontent with Preval's actions at the highest possible level when he next visits Washington" after Préval visited Venezuela to negotiate a related energy deal that would bring electricity to more homes and save the Haitian people millions.

Préval's campaign to raise the nation's minimum wage caught the attention of the Obama administration.
The bump 37¢ bump seems small by American standards, but considering it would raise wages by 150 percent--from 24¢ and hour to 61¢ an hour--the new rule stood to dramatically affect the lives of poor Haitians. However, it would also dramatically affect the bottom line of American companies, like Hanes and Levi Strauss who contracted labor in Haiti to sew their clothes. The companies insisted on capping the wage increase at 7¢ an hour, and the U.S. ambassador pressured Préval into a $3 per day wage for textile workers, $2 less than the original $5 a day that Préval had wanted. The Nation's report* on the negotiations show continued disapproval with the politics of the whole thing:

Still the US Embassy wasn’t pleased. A deputy chief of mission, David E. Lindwall, said the $5 per day minimum “did not take economic reality into account” but was a populist measure aimed at appealing to “the unemployed and underpaid masses.”
Ryan Chittum at the Columbia Journalism Review did a little bit of math to put these figures into perspective. The proposed $5 per day falls well short of The Nation's estimated $12.50 per day needed for a Haitian family of three to make ends meet. But how dramatically will the even lower $3 a day affect the American companies with a stake in the matter?

Zooming in on specific companies helps clarify this even more. As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year, and presumably it would pass on at least some of its higher labor costs to consumers.
Chittum notes that Hanes's CEO Richard Noll could cover the losses with just one sixth of his $10 million compensation package. That makes American Apparel and their no sweatshop policy look angelic, sex-crazed CEO Dov Charney and all.

So don’t give the American imperialist apologist shyt the good the US has done for Haiti. FOH! No don’t hate on us and expect us to respect the USA. You wouldn’t understand because you don’t know what’s it’s like to feel to see in Haiti’s history that no matter what we do and try to better ourselves the US buts in. This age of American unipolarity is fukking over. The poorer countries have options and if China wants to help us we will take it. The US has done too much that we cannot trust them. @loyola llothta educate these American imperialist apologists on the long history of US oppression of Haiti!

 

[TRFG]

this bootlicker really just used an example of Communists rightfully criticizing the appalling human rights violations in regards to black people in America like it's a bad thing.

thing about back in the day communism, is it was more hands on and about self-determination of the people as oppose to laying down the welcome mat

NPR Choice page



and give this a read while you at it

His replies do not make sense as usual. He actually supported your previous post

 

[loyola llothta]

@Diasporan Royalty @loyola llothta thoughts on the above?

I don't take @88m3 or Napoleon serious on anything related to Haiti or any foreign US policy on black nations

1. 88m3 use Wikipedia for source on haiti which should tell us he dont know shyt. It should be laughable when you use Wikipedia for anything

2. Napoleon made some thread cosigning the Clintons/US cutting the haiti min wage raise proposal ...

3. China and Zimbabwe already know the deal with USA... seem like more proxy wars from the west about to come to Africa again

 

[loyola llothta]

@ZoeGod thats only the tip of the iceberg

-The embargoes from the US.
-Illegal U.N occupation
-Made Haiti another Narcos state
-DEA helping US sponsor Haitian drug traffickers ( whistleblower eluded to this recently )

Etc...

 

[88m3]

I don't take @88m3 or Napoleon serious on anything related to Haiti or any foreign US policy on black nations

1. 88m3 use Wikipedia for source on haiti which should tell us he dont know shyt. It should be laughable when you use Wikipedia for anything

I don't even know who you are you little bytch



You can't say the US hasn't invested in or helped Haiti over the years. You're flat out wrong. Wikipedia is the fastest way of showing that the US has. @ZoeGod 's response to me proves that's all that's necessary. Instead of admitting it he immediately goes on about well that doesn't outweigh the bad the US has done. I never said it did. Why even try to reimagine the what ifs with Haiti especially when it comes to oil and Venezuela? China and Haiti still haven't followed through on that nonsense proposal last I heard, Why are you even talking about Haiti in a thread about Zimbabwe?


The way guys you lionize China is pathetic.

 

[King Ming]

US + West hasnt been doing shyt for Africa. China seen the gap and they going in on Africa, cant fault them

 

[AV Dicey]

60 billy without all those weird western strings attached
its all about options buddy
that Chinese infrastructure development in Africa is legit tho, ask any African breh none of that world bank imf raise prices of everything before we give you a loan so that some rich can skim off it and park it in offshore accounts. The wanjikus can at least some of that renminbi at work